Faces of Pro Ana

Tipster Izzy directed to me to Faces of Pro Ana  (fixed the link it works now). I guess I am not the only one swiping images of Pro Ana girls on public web sites and displaying them to make a point.

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I personally think this one holding the skull is particularly creative.

Sunday 3/30 1:30pm picture removed per request of individual shown. 

Can this get anymore psycho? Or is today’s youth so bored that they cling on to some grim reality for the shock factor?

Honestly, this is getting so tired. I didn’t think I would ever say this, but after nearly two years of blogging on this topic I have no idea why I am doing this. 

-mamaV

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1,413 Responses to Faces of Pro Ana

  1. ck2r says:

    Hey MamaV just don’t give up on us… I’m not realy sure what you mean by “you have no idea why your doing this” but your blog is a little thing that helps inspire me even on tough days. I mean it seems like a lost cause but even if your just reaching girl or telling one mother about the pro ana or making someone feel like maybe their life is’nt so hopeless then is’nt it worth it?

  2. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    Yeah, enough of pro ana theres more anorexia topics out there.

  3. ck2r says:

    Though I do adimt I’d like to see some positive topics more often like that dove sleeover for self esteem or the pro recovery communities scattered across the internet…

  4. Josie says:

    “Can this get anymore psycho? Or is today’s youth so bored that they cling on to some grim reality for the shock factor?”

    Of course it’s “psycho”!!!! These are seriously mentally ill young women, with psychiatric disorders. NOT bored little girls with nothing better to do than mess around with things they don’t understand (not denying this happens a little, but they soon hit reality and stop).
    If you put hundreds of mistreated anorexics and eating disordered young women together, in our current society, pro-ana is the unfortunate result.

    Little update on me – 4th overdose in a month. My liver nearly failed again. I’ve got years knocked off my life and probably gonna have liver problems in the future. What’s maybe most scary is i don’t care that much anymore.

  5. mamavision says:

    Hi ck2r: Thanks for your comments, I appreciate your thoughts.

    Although I do believe that I am helping some by efforts, I guess I feel like this is getting redundant.

    What more is there to say that I have not said?

    My process has been that I would read a story or a magazine article, and I would be inspired or angry from it, and blog about it. It just ain’t happening lately.

    Perhaps its just time for a summer hiatus.

    We’ll see.

    Love,
    mamaV

  6. Nats says:

    Hey mamaV!

    You are doing this because you are you! and you care! otherwise you wouldnt have started this in the first place!

    Believe me when I say YOU have saved my life on more than one occasion (spelling??)

    And if that isnt a reason for you to continue when you are SAVING lives, I dont know what is.

    Your just having a block is all.

    Dont give up!!

    I love you!

    Nats
    xxxxx

  7. Mrs. B. says:

    Mama,

    As someone who is not mentally ill, I see your perspective, and as the leader of the blog, I can see how it would get harder and harder to think of new blog topics.

    I do appreciate the fact that there is a proLIFE forum through MamaVision out here that your viewers cling to.

    What I personally would like to see is more information from the ladies about what they do that has WORKED for them in fighting their EDs.

    I always appreciate your efforts to fight the diseased Western body image culture, as well. I think that a lot of these women underestimate the influence that the “industry” creates. These women are perfectionists. If perfection required some other extreme, their efforts would likely go toward that direction as well.

    Your blog has been helpful to me, although I do so wish that the women here would focus on “the light”. We went through a brief period where everyone reported their positives. I think it was uplifting, which allowed me to respond to my daughter with a more positive spirit.

    Doom and hopelessness inspires more doom and hopelessness. As a natural optimist, it is sometimes hard for me to understand such gloom, but the mental illness and starvation drive it deeper.

    Maybe a focus on recovery and light?

    Josie,

    You are so close to my heart. You are such a tender spirit, and so gifted. I know that EDs and substance abuse are very closely related. Please try to stay away from dangerous substances. I know that they can temporarily erase the darkness, but they leave a greater darkness in their wake. Please take care of you. Look for the light, Josie. You are an inspiration and a blessing for so many here. And your personal recovery from ED, despite your other mental health problems gives others hope.

    Love to all,
    Mrs. B.

  8. chelsey says:

    oh please, dont ask why youre doing this. youre helping so many girls out there, girls like me.

    i bookmarked your page and i check it frequently because its inspirational to me. i feel a sense of safety when i come here, knowing that others girls are here looking for same support i am.

    there are so many sites out there teaching girls how to be ana, but there arent so many sites out there teaching girls to get on with their lives without ana.

    you do a great job here encouraging girls to overcome their illness and reminding us that there is life outside of the superficial walls of society.

    what im trying to say is, this is the only community i feel actually has worth while things being said when it comes to anorexia and its horrbile nature.

    so thank you.

  9. Aisling says:

    Mama V

    After reading this entry I have to say it kinda shocked me. For a woman who constantly blames media blames this and that and always says we should take recovery and just keep fighting and never give in.

    But yet here you are ready to give up trying to stop this pro ana nation because you feel its not working doesn’t that sound familiar. Isnt that the same as everyone of us girls on here that you have gathered in a positive way giving up? Should we just stop fighting isn’t it what your doing?

    I have suffered from ana for almost 5 years now and have been fighting it for 2 I had almost given up hope when I stumbled upon this site while scouring through pro ana sites and even though I do not feel ready for recovery this site and the debates that take place have kept me going. I have been trying to see life without my disease and although it scares me I guess it’s the first step towards recovery.

  10. Josie says:

    On the whole ‘giving up’ thing …. though this may be a surprise to all, i don’t think you should stop writing MV. I think in this general area there are important issues you could look at, but at the moment you’re going over old turf, or trying to understand things you can’t understand.
    I think this blog as massive potential, which is partly why i stick around. Looking at the subtler ways our society sends us the thin=everything message, the lack of help for teenage girls, etc – there’s a lot there.

  11. Amanda says:

    MamaV- I have not been coming to your blog for long, but I do enjoy coming here. Some of my favorite posts are the ones that make me stop and think. Like your last post about the quote from Richard Bach. I thought about it for a few hours before I responded. That post was not about pro-ana, but it was something that touched you in that moment. That is what you should blog about. Things that touch you. It doesn’t necessarily have to be about the pro-ana community. Sometimes we just need to stop and think about the other aspects of our lives.

    I really would like to know the story behind this picture. Is it possible that this girl was in a class at school, a friend took her picture, and suddenly she was plastered all over pro-ana sites? Now, I am not saying that this is what really happened, it just makes me wonder. As the saying goes ‘sometimes things are not what they seem’. I try not to judge the people in the pictures, because I do not know them, and I do not know their story.

  12. Josie says:

    Amanda – pictures that are “pro-ana” are picked up from all over the place. It’s likely that girl was doing something completely normal. I think one of MVs big flaws is to not acknowledge this.

  13. Amanda says:

    Josie- That’s why I try not to judge the girl as being psycho. We do not know if she is pro-ana, or if she is the person who posted the picture on the pro-ana site.

    I hope you are doing well.

  14. Lauren says:

    Josie my love,

    I know I’m not alone, when I say that I wish I could offer you some semblance of comfort. This is when words fail…for whatever it’s worth, you’re in my thoughts.

    One thing I know, though, Josie is how strong you are. You wouldn’t have made it this long, enduring this much suffering, if you weren’t. I don’t know if this is true for you, but as it was for me, one just never knows when things may take a turn in a better direction. Please hang on for that.

    I’m going to be in a village for a couple of days, but I’m keeping my eyes peeled for an internet cafe. Here’s me number (it’s Thai) 0839491546; so I think the whole thing goes as such: 011-66-0839491546. If you feel like calling, I can just call you right back, so it won’t charge you any fees.

    Please take care.

    Love,
    Lauren

  15. Privacy Please says:

    That picture is one of a girl who was a moderator of a pro-ana forum; it is one she posted herself. I am not sure why she is holding a skull though…
    (I know this for a fact because I had been a member of that forum, but was banned for telling them exactly what I thought about them and their “ideas”…)

    Sadly, a lot of pro-ana groups have learned to be “ED support” without “pushing recovery” and yet revolve around thinspiration and tip sharing. Mama I think that blogs like your and ones like Faces of Proana NEED to exist. I think everyone needs to see the truth and I think people need to understand to see that there a huge difference between pro-ana and clinically diagnosed eating disorders. If you ever, ever, ever need help with anything I am here and willing to help you.

  16. Leire Balder says:

    MamaV, for a lot of people, this blog is a lifeline. This problem is one that is endemic; it stems from a cultural view of ourselves, and that problem isn’t going to conveniently go away because we want it to. EDs are a “girls problems,” “everyone knows” . . . only:

    . . . at one point in college, I had 3 roommates; one guy was crash-dieting/exercising all the time to get “in shape”, another was a male model (his life was pretty much dieting), and the third dude was largely out of funds, so he ate sparsely and once commented to me that “it’s kinda nice to be losing weight”

    . . . I still remember little Tim from high school soccer; dude was taking diet pills so he could get a six pack

    . . . I . . . don’t know what to do about food. It has been an issue with me for . . . god, almost 4 years now. This is the only place that I feel safe to talk about it.

  17. mamavision says:

    Hi Everyone: Just being honest, that’s allowed right? :)

    I’ve just been frustrated lately, and it helps to express it because that is how I will get through it. I took a hiatus once before and it did me some good.

    Thank you for your comments, I will go off and ponder.

    -mamaV

  18. June says:

    psycho? Is there a way that you can promote recovery without stealing and name calling? Because reading your coments on an innocent person make me doubt your reasons for doing all of this.

    Being honest is allowed but kicking a sick person down is outright cruel.

    Shame on you lady!

  19. Haha says:

    Shame on you for trying to tell another person what and how to feel/say June. Also, I wouldn’t call it “stealing” as the internet is public domain. When you post something publicly you lose the right to expect a reasonable amount of privacy, and when these girls are posting private information on a public domain they might as well be asking someone to take a copy of it. In fact they should be glad it’s only a picture, as I have seen schools, phone numbers, addresses and other personal information. They should be thankful that THAT information isn’t being posted in a blog like their pictures are.

    So shame on you for being so arrogant and thinking that your opinions are better than anyone else’s opinions. Last time I checked Mama NEVER said anything about whether the girl was sick or not, and she didn’t call the girl in that picture psycho; she called the picture psycho.

  20. Josie says:

    Haha – you’ve completely neglected to realise that MV assumes the girl in the picture is pro-ana, aka anorexic. She calls the picture, which she thinks is pro-ana, psycho. Therefore she’s calling a girl that may be anorexic psycho.
    Chances are the girl has absolutely nothing to do with pro-ana or anorexia at all.

  21. Haha says:

    Josie- I know she thinks that. I’m simply saying that the poster who decided to be rude for someone having a different opinion is being, well, ignorant. First she calls the girl innocent, then she calls the girl sick. June was also making assumptions and that was the point I was trying to get across. I won’t deny being a little sleep deprived and probably not getting my point across the way I had hoped.

  22. Anon. says:

    I KNOW this girl, she is against pro-ana.

    she’s holding a skull (this is an old pic) because it was Halloween. What’s fucking wrong with decorating your porch on Halloween.

  23. Anna says:

    I just really think that calling that girl “psycho” shows how defeated you feel– and of course you do, pro-ana culture is overwhelming and huge.

    However, stooping to derogatory insults along the lines of “psycho” is really low. If you’re trying to promote a pro-girl, pro-women culture, there isn’t room for name-calling– we’re all in this together, right?

  24. Aisling says:

    wait i’m confused Anon- you say you know the girl and say she is anti proana and yet Privacy Please
    – you say you know her and she is a moderator for a pro anma site which is it?

    I dont think its cause she was anorexic but an underweight girl holding a skull is sort of iconic in a way because anorexia eventually leads to death and thats where we will all end up if we fight recovery.

    But i guess there is a presumption (cant spell =P) thats this girl is anorexic which might not be true

    Josie – i have just read some of your blog (havent time to read it all) and i am glad to see you are on the mend you do not deserve the pain that you have been suffering. Hold on and keep fighting hun

  25. ibiteback says:

    MamaV-
    Maybe, you could try talking about problems facing those trying to recover-insurance, dieting friends, parents, etc. It would change things up a bit to talk about recovery instead of the disease.

  26. FP says:

    I think you’re an old bag that needs to put her nose back where it belongs, out of other people’s asses and in to your own business.

  27. Lil says:

    I know this girl she is not pro-ana and she would not like to have her photo stolen and published without her consent. Please remove it. She would not be happy about this being up.

  28. D. says:

    None of us gave permission to be on that website. I’ve got two photos on there; I’m so extremely livid that those pictures are there, so if you have any contact with the owner of that blog, inform them to remove those photos.

    I’m no where NEAR pro Ana. I’m trying to recover from my eating disorder.

    And please remove that photo you have. I know her, and she is more against the Pro-Ana movement than I am.

  29. Anon. says:

    Dude, straight up.

    No one is asking you to ‘blog on the topic’ so if you are so tired of it. Please.
    Please.

    Just fuck off?

    And let everyone struggling with their ed’s make it through another day without your constant criticism, sarcasm and fucking pathetic ideas.

  30. gabby/yanyb says:

    MamaV,
    This blog was the first of its kind I had stumbled upon. Empowering, educational, blunt, and talks about what’s important to me. You have inspired me to start my own blog, on which I have received emails about revelations of self love. This shit is definitely making a difference. However, after just a few weeks of YANYB, I grew bored. My own life gets in the way. It’s understandable if you want to take breaks. Love you or not, we all appreciate your posts. Please keep it up if and when you feel like it.

    Josie- You probably have NO idea who I am, but I guess that doesn’t matter. I’ve been reading your posts here and all over the web. I think you’re just the damn smartest girl on the internet. I worry about your health like crazy. Please try to treat yourself as well as possible. So many people care for you

    Love,
    Gabby

  31. Newt says:

    Lil if your friend wouldn’t be pleased about her picture being published elsewhere other than her “not pro ana” site then she shouldn’t have put it up on the internet to begin with.

    This type of comment is starting to get extremely redundant. One would think that these girls would learn by now that if they don’t want their photos plastered on the world wide web they shouldn’t post it at all. So it is a halloween pic but being it was posted on a “not pro ana” site it has some underlying meaning don’t cha think. Or is this too just a joke? Maybe it is I who is psycho seeing a hidden message in the pic.

    Another thing I am starting to find very annoying is whenever MV posts a pic of some girl on some “not pro ana” site a bunch of basher find their way here to proclaim that such and such isn’t pro ana. Come off it you have to be kidding me. I have been on countless “not pro ana” sites and guess what regardless of how the moderators and adminstrators may justify their sites ultimately the site is pro ana. You have girls and women writing on how little they have eaten, how many times they purged today, how many pills they have taken, how may calories they burned, etc, etc. How is this not pro ana? Whoops sorry I guess nowdays it is taboo to use ana so pro AN.

    MV keep up the good work. When I first started coming to your blog I was deep into my ED and alcoholism and despised your blog. Slowly I have been working towards recovery and sobriety and can now clearly see your message isn’t to bash those who suffer but to try and show them a positive alternative message. At times the blog does go for the shock factor but like I once heard nowdays you can’t simpily tap a person on the shoulder to get their attention you have to hit them over the head with a sledgehammer and then you have their utmost attention. Don’t let the bashers get to you. Maybe one day they too will start to see clearly and realize you are just trying to help rather than sitting on the sidelines.

  32. Rachel says:

    To Mamavision,

    I really implore you to remove the link info for that blog from your site! This blog, which is the source of this article, is a highly destructive and unobjective article which appears to have been created by a disgruntled member of the ED community- please don’t give it more recognition because it has the potential to destroy many young lives.

    It is no-one’s place to decide how people should manage their EDs but I don’t think a passworded forum with strict rules regarding ‘pro-ana’ content should be targetted- which has happened in this case. There is nothing to be gained from ‘exposing’ these people, except perhaps to further their hurt and therefore, destructive behaviour. The creator of that blog is a despicable predator and appears to have lurked in an ED support forum in order to steal photos. You, on the other hand, are not hiding who you are, an adult who has been through this and I think, should know better than to post these images on a public forum. ‘Make a point’? Please- what ‘point’? Really, what can possibly be gained?

  33. Empty says:

    That happens to be a photo of my dear friend, and she is NOT pro-ana. NONE OF US at CB are PRO-eating disorder, and we are all very disturbed and offended by the facesofproana blog. I was lucky enough to pull my own photo off photobucket before the site owner was able to save mine.

    The girl in this photo (Let’s call her Dominique) is holding the skull to be poetic. I have photos of myself taken in a cemetary – does that mean that I’m going to kill myself? NO. It’s all a matter of artistic view. Did it ever occur to you that she might be – oh, I don’t know, A SHAKESPEARE FAN? An intellectual?

    A girl who feels hopelessly alone while trapped in the world of a disorder that destroys her body, while some misinformed moron puts her photo up for the world to see with MISINFORMATION about who she is/what she represents? She herself posted this on our forum, in the Links section:


    At CB, the general consensus is that anorexia is a disease not a lifestyle, that it’s a debilitating mental disorder. As a result, we do not condone the posting of links to pro-ana websites.

    So, what is CB then? If you think about it, we like to call the main website pro-reality, it portrays EDs, as they are, in a realistic fashion, without glamorizing. Over time, CB had undergone an evolution- originally, we were pro-ana, but people change with time, and so has the site (and forum); we hope to continue to evolve as all of our members grow as people.

    On to the issue at hand- think about your site. Just think about it for a minute.

    Do you really want impressionable 12-year-old girls running across your site and deciding anorexia is cool? Would you want your sisters/friends/daughters to see it in a moment when they’re upset, insecure, when they think they’re fat, when they’re worried about fitting in and decide that losing weight would be the solution to all of life’s problems? Have you thought about the reasons why servers delete pro-ana sites (them portraying anorexia as cool, young children running across them, etc.)? There’s already a superfluity of pro-ana sites, do you really want to add to that?

    The sad truth is that we all know by this point (and if you don’t know you should) that no one in their right mind should want to have an ED because it destroys your life. If you’re going to personify anorexia, “ Ana” isn’t some lovely person who will help you attain your highest dreams, she’s a back-stabbing bitch who wants you dead.

    Accordingly, if you’re going to create a pro-ana website you’re going to have to recognize it for what it is- which is a form of a single, implicit evil. You are going to take something horrible and be for it, you are going to cater to the young and impressionable, the insecure, and make it seem as though losing weight is a ready fix to their problems. Only after the miraculous goddess “Ana” has sucked out their souls and left them in an hospital ward with an NG tube stuck in their nose will they possibly realize that this wasn’t really the brilliant solution it promised to be.

    Of course, there’s still people who are going to want to create a website- we realize that, we realize some of you have them. Still, if you do, don’t post it here. We really don’t need any more “help” destroying ourselves, many of our members know how to do that far too well.

    If you’re thinking about creating a website, sit back for a moment and think long and hard about why you want to do it. If it’s simply an issue of saving thinspo, etc. for yourself you might want to look into a private online journal.

    We realize that pro-ana sites don’t create anorexia, but to adolescents who already have issues they can be what drives them over the edge.”

    I would appreciate it if you took her photo down, because she’s already in quite an emotional state over her face being associated with the ridiculous pro-ana movement.

    I was one of the lucky ones able to pull myself off the site (by changing the url of my photobucket image that the owner hotlinked to.) but many of these girls are being displayed with false info about them.

    I just wanted you all to see it from our end.

    -Empty

  34. A Healthy Girl says:

    I would be really happy if you deleted the link to the site, since the site DO NOT contain pictures of the people behind the pro-ana movement, but ordinary girls. Some of them suffers from an eating disorder, and some of the don’t know why their face is on that page.

    And for the “creative” picture of the girl with the skull. If you were allowed to hold a skull, would you take a picture of yourself with it?

    That site shows how pictures taken out of context can be really hurtful to other people.

  35. loz says:

    my picture is on that website and whilst i understand that when i post pictures on the net i run the risk of them showing up somewhere else what i do not appreciate is the fact that it has been associated with something i would never even contemplate promoting. There is a difference between stealing someone’s photo and posting it somewhere and stealing someone’s photo, posting it and them making wrong and unfounded allegations against that person. It is in the latter that my problem lies. I am an active member of the cb community and i have seen the duress, and hysteria that has been caused by the misrepresentation of there beautiful young woman. Trust me when i tell you that this blog has done more harm than good and has triggered self destructive behaviours not only in those who have posted their pics, but also those who have been spared that heart ache. I hope who ever created this blog in their so called effort to name and shame the pro ana movement is happy. I hope they can sleep at night knowing they have triggered people to cut, binge, purge or starve. The members of this community gather here not to teach teach or encourage each other on how to self destruct, rather they come together to offer support and understanding to each other. For many of there people this is the only place they feel safe to discuss and recieve support for their mental illness without fear of judgement. I know personally the support i have recieved from the wonderful members of this site has saved my life. If not for them i would have stopped fighting long ago, and have ended my life thinking i was alone and not worth the fight. There people have me the hope to see that i may have a future. They are the reason i wake up everyday, and they are the reason i haven’t given up! Check out this blog. You may find it interesting! http://diseasenotlifestyle.blogspot.com

  36. Me says:

    hi, why is this link does not work?

  37. mamavision says:

    To Empty, Loz, Healthy Girls and all others who have posted their POV:

    First and foremost, thank you for expressing yourself in such detail. I think it is very important to read your point of view. I say this for my community and myself included.

    Next, please know that I am not claiming to understand all the various reasons young women seek support on a pro ana web site. Nor, to I believe that all of those reasons are bad.

    The clear and simple message that I am attempting to send is this:

    Do not post your photo on a public pro ana board.

    Is it mean and unfair for me to repost your image to make this point? Perhaps. But I think it is worth it in order to make this point. And yes, I sleep well at night.

    Girls, the stage of life you are in now is not forever. Yet your image will be out there forever. It will be posted and reposted in ways you never imagined. My reposting it here is probably the least of your worries.

    A few real stories that have come to my attention:

    -An bulimic young woman sees her favorite teacher’s image on a pro ana board. She comes to me for advice, shocked and confused. The teacher and the bulimic girl are both forced into each others private lives.

    -A child sees her own mother on a pro ana board. Don’t even get me going on this one.

    To close, I know my approach is not fair to you but my concern here is not fairness.

    This is about life, and perspective, and forethought. This is a digital, virtual world, the only one most of you know, you need to be careful of your actions. A proposed option is to simply email your image direct to your friend(s) instead of posting it to the web.

    Love,
    mamaV

    PS If I have posted your image and you would like it removed email me at mamavision@gmail.com and tell me who you are, which image it is, and explain why you want it removed. I will remove it for you. Don’t lie, be real with me and I will be real with you.

  38. mamavision says:

    P.S. There’s nothing poetic about posing with a skull. It’s just silly. Why make a joke about such a serious situation?

    -mamaV

  39. Empty says:

    Personally, I posted my photo on a -private- support board, a board that _is not_ pro-ana.

    I understand that on the internet people’s images are subject to all sorts of misuse, but it’s one thing to have your photo stolen and posted… and another thing completely to have it stolen and posted with misinformation about us.

    I have had an eating disorder since I was 6 years old. I have been a self-injurer since I was 11 years old. I think that this world is gruesome, and it’s quite frankly an absolute hell. I would -never- wish it upon ANYONE and that’s the only reason I’m really outraged by all of this…

    Because CB is not pro-ana! We did not “post pictures on a public pro-ana board” – we posted our photos on a private support board.

    Thank you for your kind reply, and for reading my posts.

  40. Empty says:

    PS –

    Dominique posing with a skull had nothing to do with her eating disorder. The “meaning” of the photo is being taken out of context.

  41. Empty says:

    I’m also sorry for being repetitive but I am very frustrated and trying to keep from being mean, since you are being so civil with me.

  42. KJosie says:

    MamaV – my impression from your various visitors and from a quick glance around the website is that it is not a pro-ana site – it’s a site warning about the dangers of pro-ana.
    For those who have come over from Faces – is my assumption true?
    If so, MV, you’re being unfair – writing things which are false about other people. And using the excuse that this is the internet and that’s what happens is wrong – you should be setting an example by NOT reposting images incorrectly, and warning of the dangers of posting ones photo independently.

    Almost everyone online posts their pictures, and maybe they should think carefully about what they post. I know myself i have Facebook, Myspace, a website and my blog, all with my pictures in, and we have to be careful. However you posting other peoples pictures with assumptions about them is not a good way to get people to be more considerate about their internet usage.

  43. motown says:

    Dear MamaV,

    “If I have posted your image and you would like it removed email me at mamavision@gmail.com and tell me who you are, which image it is, and explain why you want it removed. I will remove it for you. Don’t lie, be real with me and I will be real with you.”

    I wish the blogger in charge of the ‘Faces of pro-ana’ blogspot was as willing to do so. My best friend suffers from an eating disorder and is also a self-injurer. I am currently watching her have a complete emotional breakdown due to the fact that her photograph is posted on that other website. She, like the others who have posted here, is part of an online support community. She wouldn’t wish her situation upon anyone, and thereby has *never* provided any ‘tips’.

    Putting photographs of someone in a public place without their permission is bad enough, but when that person suffers from a mental disorder that places an inordinate amount of emphasis on their physical appearance, they are left feeling more depressed than usual. This can have a horrible effect on them (as I am seeing right now). I can’t bear to see my friend this way. She was doing slightly better– seeing her therapist, she hadn’t cut in weeks, etc. That’s all been lost.

    Thank you for listening.

  44. KJosie says:

    I think this illustrates the point brilliantly http://king-josie.livejournal.com/485233.html
    (and yes, i am bored, i’m nearly bed-bound atm).

  45. Amy says:

    “The clear and simple message that I am attempting to send is this:

    Do not post your photo on a public pro ana board.”

    This picture, and the majority of the pictures from Faces of Pro-Ana, did NOT come from a pro-ana board. They came from a private support site. On this site, “tip and tricks” are not allowed, harm reduction is stressed, and members are suggested to discuss FEELINGS, not just weight, calories, and dress size. The fact is, some men and women with eating disorders are simply not ready for recovery, and they need a place to feel understood.

    What Faces of Pro-Ana has done, and much of what you do, is akin to posting pictures of schizophrenics in an attempt to “out” them in their communities for being mentally ill. Have you read the comments that the blogger of Face of Pro-Ana allowed through? They are extremely hurtful – someone even called us “fatties,” because rather than all being emaciated, some of us are average weight or overweight because we struggle with bulimia, COED, or ED-NOS. As you can imagine this, on top of worries about our professional and family lives, has created a terrible effect in our community.

    Bottom line: you aren’t helping. Faces of Pro-Ana isn’t helping at all.

    There are so many issues that are more important for you to cover. What about the insurance problem, or information from current journals of psychiatric medicine? What about a piece about how people with EDs come in all shapes and sizes? What about some real information to promotion of awareness rather than calling a sufferer (who, as those above me noted, is certainly NOT pro-ana) “psycho” and posting a link to a site that falsely represents the individuals whose photos it has posted?

    Help us. That is, supposedly, what you’re here for.

  46. Sara says:

    Okay. I’m not going to be rude, because that will not be of any use. I’m just going to tell you how most of the girls on the site you linked feel.

    Our photos were taken without permission. Most of the photos are from one website, though there is at least one more.

    Our website is NOT pro-ana. We are pro-reality. We encourage healing and recovery, we support each other to be safe, even though we’re all dealing with these horrible disorders.

    Our forum has a whole recovery board. Forum rules prevent us from posting “How to Become Anorexic” or “Easiest Foods to Purge.”

    The thing that has upset everyone the most, is not that our photos were taken, but that we are misrepresented, being called pro-ana.

    No one is for this disorder. No one would wish this upon anyone. I sure as hell wouldn’t want my [future] daughter or niece to starve themselves, to cut themselves when they binge, to exercise until they pass out.

    Eating disorders are a mental disorder. We are fully aware of this. Would it be okay for someone to make a “Faces of Depression” site? What about a “Faces of Schizophrenia” or “Faces if Alcoholism?”

    No, that’s not alright. Our website is for support. Just like an AA meeting. We comfort each other when we make mistakes. We support recovery. We are there with each other every step of the way.

    Of course, this website that was created further proves the fact that eating disorders are not understood. We do not condone our behaviors.

    The main point of our site is to be with people that understand what we’re going through. We sincerely hope you agree with us.

    We are looking into slander, libel, and defamation laws to see if we have any grounds to take action, if needed.

    You see, this website is not correct in assuming we are pro-ana, and it has caused much emotional turmoil among the members.

    Thanks for reading this.

  47. We wanted to thank you for your kind words on our blog, MamaV. I have to admit, neither of us expected the amount of comments we’ve gotten with curses and just curses- no actual message, just strings of curses and insults.
    In response to many of the things said on your lovely blog and on ours, we want to assure all your readers that this was not done “without research.” Seeing the sites our 12-year-old niece had visited was stomach-turning. We went over each in great detail with the girl’s parents at the time. Each site referenced contains pages and pages of thinspiration and tips to not feel hungry, tips to eat less, tips to purge, tips on diet pills and laxatives. Tips on how to hide signs of an eating disorder from friends, family- and doctors. Tips about drinking cold water to pee out “toxins and fat and stuff.” Tips about how to hide the weight loss, the hair loss, the dry skin and other signs that come with an eating disorder. Tips about how to combat dizziness and lightheadedness without “giving in” and eating. Threads where the members fast together, encouraging each other to go one more day without food.
    What we saw turned our stomachs. While the blog was originally my wife’s idea, I have made most of the posts because she feels downright ill over what she sees on these websites.
    We can both assure you that, claims to the contrary, the sites we refer to do indeed all have these components. We may be new to things like pro-ana compared to people like you, MamaV, but what we saw on those sites was stomach-turning, and from what we have read is very much pro-ana.

  48. Sara says:

    Also, one of the websites photos were taken from IS pro-ana. We were WRONGLY grouped with them.

    We are just astounded at the audacity of such a website.

  49. Empty says:

    I agree that proana is appalling, disturbing, f’ed up, what ever you want to call it…

    As Sara said, we from the ceruleanbutterfly forums were wrongly grouped among the proanas.

    My own photo was posted on facesofproana and to be blatantly honest I wanted blood.

    Now that I’ve cooled down, I just want you guys to realize that the girls (and guys) of ceruleanbutterfly are NOT proana. Just go to http://www.ceruleanbutterfly.com and READ the pages! Seriously.

  50. mamavision says:

    Dear Concerned Aunt and Uncle: I have to say it feels great to have some support from others of my generation, it’s been lonely over here!

    Let them curse.
    Let them berade you.
    Let them tell you how stupid you are and how you “don’t get it.”

    All B.S

    They want us out of their business, like any young person wants adults to keep their nose out of anything that is theirs.

    We have discussed this one simple question here for almost two years – “What is pro ana?”

    Trust me, there is no definitive answer. All in the eye of the beholder.

    Frankly, the whole topic is totally irrelevant but they keep banging this drum, so let them get it out.

    What this generation does not see is it is all the same to us 30-40 somethings. It’s sick, it’s leading down a bad road, and for that we are concerned.

    Pay no mind to right or wrong on the topic of posting pictures. This is not about right or wrong, its about awareness.

    Like it or not, this is a digital world, and its a whole new ballgame. One that does not end, and will follow you for a lifetime. I have a feeling that some of these girls who are throwing out f-bombs left and right will soon “get it” themselves when they pass through this phase of life and realize their online persona is out there – forever.

    Take it easy,
    -mamaV

    PS Check out my latest post, a former leader of Live Journal Josie had fun with my old modeling pictures and posted me as her “Thinspiration.” I don’t blink at this commentary because it’s silly. When you have over 5M pages of proana content I don’t worry about my old modeling pictures triggering anyone, and if they do, so be it.

    The real story here is even my pictures are posted all over the place. Do I care? No, because I was well aware of this fact when I posted them here on my blog. Once your personal image is live on the web they are free reign, I new that was part of the deal when I got into this, and I am comfortable with it.

  51. Empty says:

    I think it is unfair to say things like “give ’em hell” and to be happy that we feel “threatened.” If anything, we don’t understand why you find it necessary to add more torture to our lives.

    A friend of mine on CB just posted this, (love ya babe!) and I think it makes a valid point:

    “Here’s my take on the whole thing – what she did is not at all on the same level as posting Faces of Alcoholism, etc. What she did is much worse. If she created a site that was Faces of Eating Disorders, we’d probably all have to just deal with it and concede her point. It would be a sympathetic site, no less effective, and it would be slightly similar to her archetype “Faces of Meth.”
    But she’s accusing all of us of actively encouraging fatal behavior in other men, women, and children. That is what makes this an issue to me, because I would never even associate with people of that nature, let alone participate in it myself. What she did, in my opinion, is the same as creating a site that accused people of getting their two year old’s high, or something inexcusable like that.”

    Also – even though we do something that you don’t like, and you have every right to write against it. You have every right to rail on about how much you hate it, how horrible it is, etc.

    But you do *not* have the right to take people (such as myself, as Dominique, as others) who do NOT support the movement you claim we do, and post us with the aforementioned claims. It’s cruel.

  52. Empty says:

    Just to clarify, upon rereading my own post I noticed I was a tad unclear. What I meant by “we do something you don’t like” is that we talk to one another about our disorders and go looking for support from one another with or without the intention of immediate recovery. Thanks.

  53. Nats says:

    Ok guys you are all getting wayyy over the top about all of this! and dont sit there and tell me that you are not and that I am talking crap.

    I have been anorexic for so long and I am still trying to find a way of dealing with it!

    This site is no more pro-ana than I am! And believe me I am not!

    You are all upset that a picture has been put on here, fair enough, then just ask mamav to take it off, why do you have to sit there and scream and shout at her about it??

    If you think this site is pro- ana and you dont agree with that then LEAVE!! You guys are not saying this because your angry with just mamaV

    You are all saying all this because you are angry with everyone. you want out of your ED but you also want to keep it! You want to blame someone and you have now got that person in mamaV by the sound of it!!

    Im not saying all this because I am sticking up for mamav I am saying this because I think this is getting way out of hand

  54. AEW says:

    Maybe there are lots of horrible sites out there that could be enabling to impressionable young people (whether or not you deem the sites from which the pictures were taken as such is as you rightly say, subjective) – but what does this do? How does it help? We’re not going to go away; I suffer from a veritable menagerie of mental disorders, and I want the support, love, kindness, camaraderie, compassion and friendship offered to me by the cerulean butterfly forums. I made the decision to post my picture there, and yes it was upsetting to see it on ‘faces’ – but I don’t regret doing it and I’ll sure as hell do it again. I’m not a pre-schooler, I’m aware of the potential consequences of my actions and don’t need lecturing. I’m not going to scream for them to take my photo down. What I am going to do is sincerely ask what they think this is going to achieve, other than upsetting a lot of already unstable individuals, and if they would consider the help that is given by the website(s) that they have misrepresented.

  55. Sara says:

    Nats, we are not angry with MamaV.

    We are angry that we were labeled as proana.

    MamaV is not the creator of facesofproana.

    We can’t convince the owner of the site to take our pictures off… we can’t delete them from the photobuckets, imageshacks, etc.

    They saved it to their computer. Does that not strike anyone as odd? Adults saving images of mentally ill teenagers / young adults, with the intent to humiliate or force us into submission?

  56. A Healthy Girl says:

    “They want us out of their business, like any young person wants adults to keep their nose out of anything that is theirs.”

    mamaVISION – I love when adults take an interest in me. When I first told someone about my eating disorder, it was an adult. I got help, and I am now eating a healthy diet, and exercising healthy. I live a happy life – with ups and downs like every normal person – but in general I am doing great.

    You said: What if a girl sees her mum on a pro-ana site?

    I say: What if someone who look up to me see my face on Faces of Pro Ana and wants to do what I do? Cause there is no information there about me being recovered, me never being PRO ana, me hating the pro-ana movement. There is only a picture of me on a page that claims that the people there are pro-ana.

    I don’t think that is a more imaginary situation than someone seeing that site thinking “I will never join the pro-ana movement”. These girls are real people with different stories. Many of them are minors from other nations than USA, which means their country have the “convention on the rights of children” in their laws. This convention states that children have the right to be treated with justice.

    When the children they have posted pictures of asks if the adults who run the site could take them down, wouldn’t it be fair to the child if their wish was heard and respected?

    All children should be able to trust grown ups, and include adults in their everyday life. I think that when young people don’t feel their wish is respected the gap between adults and children will grow. Something that might lead to that some of these girls will not reach out for the help they need.

  57. KJosie says:

    Nats – i don’t think people are so much criticising mamaV here, they’re criticising the makers of Faces of Pro-Ana, which appears to be people who have posted pictures of girls who use pro-ana sites. I assume it’s with the intention to “out” the girls who participate.

    I object massively, and completely see where these girls are coming from. As mamaV points out – that’s the risk with posting ones photos online, but still it’s unfair.
    – these girls aren’t neccessarily pro-ana (it is difficult to tell the difference between pro-ana and pro-support)
    – FoPA only posted pictures that are “not thinspiration” – aka those they consider fat, or are just faces (and a person with an ED being judged on their appearance – you know the implications of that)
    – FoPA are making these girls out to be sick twisted individuals who lead others towards sickness. In actuality it’s likely these people are seriously ill with mental health problems
    – FoPA is neglecting to realise that the majority of pro-ana girls and women are there out of desperation – there is simply no support for those with EDs, other than stereotypical anorexia. Quite simply, doctors laugh in the face of those who have an ED but aren’t skeletal

    To those whose pictures are on FoPA, i’m so sorry you’ve had to go through such a thing. Life with an ED is tough enough already.

  58. Cat says:

    the faces of pro-ana site, as well as your linking to it here, is disgusting and irresponsible. regardless of the idiocy of the pro-ana movement, the majority of these girls have eating disorders as well as numerous other mental health issues…most likely including serious anxiety disorders and depression.

    discovering that someone has put your face up on what is essentially a pro-ana roster site is going to be horrendously triggering to some of these girls. i would not be surprised to hear of serious consequences arising from this blatant display of insensitivity. while all of you might mean well, NONE of you are qualified mental health experts.

  59. Me says:

    I just want to say to Empty and some others: you are right when you say that a person’s pic, was taken may be out of context. And she is may be not Pro-Ana. But I have to say a lot of times I’ve seen on ProAna sites and boards, how girls that ARE Pro-Ana, find pictures of other girls on the net, (pictures that in the first place where not made for Anorexia promoting), and use them, for their Thinspiration, and they(those pictures) are being stolen, just the same way, and being linked to other places on the net. To promote Anorexia. That’s why
    I don’t even want to post my picture, because I am scared it will be stolen and misused, I am a skinny girl, not an Anorectic, and I in no way want my pictures to serve, for such an idea.

  60. Irishish says:

    Wow! MamaV I have not always agreed with everything you have said in the past, but I wanted to let you know that right now, in this moment I seriously want to kiss your feet! This whole Faces of Proana thing is great, and you are great blogging about it.

    Cerulean Butterfly is quite amusing. I have no problem stating exactly how I feel about it. They were very proana in the beginning, and I mean very. After it’s creator got hatemail, threats, etc. she changed it to be “pro-support”. Within CB’s forum the most frequently updated sections are “Thinspiration”, “Progress Threads”, and “Meeting Yourself Halfway”.

    Me and a couple friends who have struggled for years with our eating disorders decided this was not healthy for us and we could no longer belong to such a group and were not willing to be late as one who is a member in such a group. We lost our tempers a bit, I went on and on about real girl thinspo… which oddly enough is really similar to what the Aunt and Uncle have done with proana pictures. They both took another person’s pictures and posted them somewhere else. I think it’s great! I think someone needed to confront issues like this, not only on Cerulean Butterfly, but in Proana groups all over the internet, and to be perfectly honest my Irish temper gets the best of me and prevents me from bringing such issues to light in a calm and rational manner.

    Thank you to MamaV and thank you to the Aunt and Uncle who had the courage to stand up to thousands of starved, hormonal, pubescent girls!

  61. Darkness says:

    CB you are Hypocrites each one of you, isn’t it the pot calling the kettle black when you steal girls photos for your Real Girl Thinspration? Did you ever think of that or showing girls who have anorexia as your thinspration.

    Get over it there is nothing legally you can do, in fact legally you don’t have a celery stick to stand on…

  62. Irishish says:

    OH! I meant to add “Meeting Yourself Halfway” was formerly known as “Tips and Tricks”. It’s the politically correct tips and tricks… with all the same crap inside!

  63. A Healthy Girl says:

    Irishish – I don’t agree with you, but do not forget that CB has a Recovery section. There are people on the forum who only post in the general section (if anyone find movies, art, quizzes, politics and sports unhealthy I have to disagree again) and in the recovery section. But CB is not promoting anorexia. CB do not think of anorexia as a lifestyle. We can’t disagree on that, cause that is fact. We can disagree on pushing people into recovery, or if disordered persons should be able to get support. But CB is not Pro-Ana.

    Faces of Pro Ana: Isn’t this pillory of these girls? Didn’t we stop that in the middle ages?

  64. tink says:

    I am posting this on here as well as the ‘faces of pro-ana’
    As I do not believe they will have the courage to post it, so whilst it doesn’t directly relate to this site, the content is what I feel strongly about.

    You think that by naming and shaming girls your helping them? Whatever sick pleasure your getting out of this, your the one who should feel shame, not us.
    We (and yes, I am one of the women whose photograph you have wrongly used, without my permission) .. are a close knit community who exist to offer each other support at a particularly hellish period of our lives. My eating disorder was firmly established long before I’d ever used a computer, but in finding the website I found a support network that helped me much more than doctors or medications, I found acceptance, and that has helped me get closer to recovery than I’ve ever been in over 15 years of being eating disordered, I am not pro-anorexia, I have never or will never encourage anyone to try and ‘become’ Anorexic, I will however continue to offer my support and loyalty to my fellow butterflies.
    Do not hide behind the pretence of trying to help, your nothing but a despicable bully hiding behind the façade of concerned relatives.

  65. dominique says:

    I’m the person whose picture is featured in this post. I know you’re trying to get a point across, but I have never been (and never will be) pro-ana, and I was holding the skull in the picture because it was Halloween. I emailed you asking you to remove it the day it was posted, but I have not received a response. However, I understand that you likely get a lot of emails; hopefully you will hold true to your word and remove it as I have requested.

    I used to be an administrator at an ED support site; however, I recently left over issues with it and I have, in no way, *ever* defined myself as pro-ana. I find your using me as a poster child for the pro-ana movement extremely offensive and I’m really just at a loss for words. I understand your hatred of the pro-ana movement as I share it myself; however, posting a picture like that simply objectifies me as a person. I’ve been trying to move beyond my ED and seeing a picture of myself when I was at my worst point in years ED-wise posted on your site as representing the pro-ana movement just destroys me. I have no idea how the pictures were even leaked as I posted them for two days on a private forum among people I thought I could trust.

    Please, please take the picture down. It’s a misrepresentation of my character and I find it being up extremely triggering. Your posting it simply because I’m holding a skull and underweight, without knowing any of the background of it, simply leaves me at a loss for words. EDs revolve around self-objectification and your posting a picture like that of me reduces me to nothing more than my appearance. I can’t begin to articulate how damaging this is. I’m fighting hard to define myself as something other than an ED, but your posting this reduces me to nothing but that. We live in an culture where women are routinely objectified; I’m trying to fight against this objectification– and against such things as the evils of the pro-ana movement– and my being held as an example of both this objectification and the pro-ana movement just makes this struggle all the harder. You’re painting me as the antithesis of what I actually am.

    I’m a real person struggling with an eating disorder. I’ve never been pro-ana or pro-thinspo. Seeing my picture on your website is simply humiliating.

  66. Empty says:

    *hugs* Dominique. <3

    Well said.

    And please, for her sake, take her photo down.

  67. Brianna says:

    Irishish you failed to mention that you have been banned from CB not once but several times for your ‘pro’ views as well as being an out right bitch.

    My picture is on the site, thats not what bothers me. like mamaV has pointed out, my pictures could be anywhere on the net. and i don’t doubt that, i have people in my personal life who have probably taken my pictures and posted them god knows where. what bothers me is that my face is being attached to the pro ana label when i do not support the “pro ana movement”. i am very againist it and would never condone such behaviors. but the vivid truth is that eating disorders do exist in society. they are a debilitating mental disorder that affect millions of men and women. and like anyone else with a disorder or a disease, be it cancer or anorexia, we deserve respect and support just as much as the next person.

    so if people want to post my pictures to raise awareness toward something that describes me, by all means go for it, i’ll give you pictures and journal entries and anything else you’re little heart can want or desire. but i am not pro ana, i do not support it, and i am certainly not a “face of pro ana”

  68. Sarah says:

    MV

    You said you didn’t care about your photos being every where, but how would you feel if your photo was stolen from a private community, then labeled as “pro-ana”

    I don’t think you understand what can come of sites like this.

    In private, password protected communities, people to have an expectation of privacy.

    Most of these pictures are from sites that are not “pro ana.”

    Being labeled as a pro-ana might as well be calling someone a killer.

    I have an eating disorder. I did not chose to have one. I would not wish one on my worst enemy. I would not even wish this on the creator of that site. They have stolen my picture, and posted slanderous claims about me. But even after this site has triggered some serous set backs in my recovery, not to mention put my job and realtionship with my family at risk. I would not wish this hell on them.

    I am not asking them to stop raising awarness about “pro ana”, what I am asking them to not put people with mental illnesses in fragile emotional states by claiming false statements

    I would also like to mention to the owner of faces of pro ana that your site is not like “faces of meth” People who do meth (at least in the begining) CHOSE to do meth. You CANNOT CHOSE to have an eating disorder.

  69. Empty says:

    Brianna, we were all trying to be CIVIL with one another. I don’t appreciate you being nasty to Dominique… you really don’t have a reason to be.

    People get into disagreements all the time.

    She got “banned” from the board not for acting pro (as this troll would have you believe) but because of disagreements with other members.

  70. Empty says:

    ACK My apologies Brianna… Dominique just pointed out to me that you were talking to IrishIrish… I’m sorry! I’m just in hyper-protective mode of her today. I really hate to see her sad.

    No hard feelings toward you!

  71. motown says:

    Empty- I think you’re confused… dominique chose to leave the community. Also, Brianna was making a comment about Irishish.

    Everyone just please stick the the important issues here and leave interpersonal issues aside :)

  72. Empty says:

    I know. I already took care of that… haha, I feel like a butt-head for doing that. Like I said, hyperprotective. <3

  73. Brianna says:

    empty, if irshish didn’t get deleted for pro views, then i am probably confusing her for someone else. which is highly possible since i’ve killed several brain cells and don’t have the best memory. but i know she was a bitch, that i know for sure =)

  74. Cat says:

    <3 dominique. i can’t even fathom how you feel right now.

  75. Anastascia says:

    A couple of things have struck me about all of this. You said that the photos in the facesofproana blog were taken from pro-ana sites. However, mine was stolen from my display picture on my MySpace page. And, for point-of-fact, I took that picture of myself. Therefore, I am the lawful copyright holder and that photo is being used without my express written permission.

    “We wanted to thank you for your kind words on our blog, MamaV. I have to admit, neither of us expected the amount of comments we’ve gotten with curses and just curses- no actual message, just strings of curses and insults.” This is actually untrue. Many of us have posted very informative and intelligent views on their blog. However, they are choosing to only allow the posts which are offensive and damaging to us.

    “In response to many of the things said on your lovely blog and on ours, we want to assure all your readers that this was not done “without research.” Seeing the sites our 12-year-old niece had visited was stomach-turning. We went over each in great detail with the girl’s parents at the time. Each site referenced contains pages and pages of thinspiration and tips to not feel hungry, tips to eat less, tips to purge, tips on diet pills and laxatives. Tips on how to hide signs of an eating disorder from friends, family- and doctors. Tips about drinking cold water to pee out “toxins and fat and stuff.” Tips about how to hide the weight loss, the hair loss, the dry skin and other signs that come with an eating disorder. Tips about how to combat dizziness and lightheadedness without “giving in” and eating. Threads where the members fast together, encouraging each other to go one more day without food. What we saw turned our stomachs.” I take issue with this. Had they actually seen the CB forum, they would realize that NONE of that exists. We do not allow posts to further damage yourself. We do not allow posts on diet pills or laxatives or ways to make purging easier. We do not allow posts on hiding your illness from anyone.

    As for Irishish’s berating the progress thread section, well, progress can mean many things. Progress can be to go a week without drinking or harming yourself. Progress can mean just getting on with your life. It is more than calories and weight. And, the Meeting Yourself Halfway section is just that. It contains tips to manage your life. Not to further your disorder, but to figure a way out of the hell you’ve found yourself in. It includes topics such as Ways to Stop a Binge, Ways to Avoid Triggers, etc.

    I have been eating disordered for a very long time (over 17 years). I do not take pride in this. I do not wear my disorder as a badge of honor. It is not something I would ever encourage. The reason that being associated with the pro-ana movement upsets me so much is because I do not want this for any other person. I do not want to be the reason another person hates themselves to death.

  76. Amy says:

    I just want to send out a big hug to everyone. Everyone. If you are a member of CB, I love you and I am so sorry that you have to go through this. We hurt enough already. Members of other communities, I am sorry that you have had to deal with this as well. Know that I am thinking of you and know that this has been an upsetting and triggering situation for most of us. To everyone, anywhere, with an eating disorder, know that you are not alone. I just hope that we can all be happy some day.

    Mama Vision, I am sure that you did not intend to hurt or trigger anyone. I know that your goal is to promote eating disorder awareness, and that you understand what all of the girls posted on Faces of Pro-Ana are going through. I am sure that you mean well, and had no idea that this would effect so many people.

    However, I hope that you will please consider taking the link to Faces of Pro-Ana and the picture of Dominique down, as the above posters have suggested. I know that it is against your policy to remove images, but we have truly been misrepresented by Faces of Pro-Ana, and on your site. If Faces of Pro-Ana was called Faces of Eating disorders, I would understand it’s function. However, CB members suffer from many different eating disorders, not just anorexia, and the vast majority of us, as has been said repeatedly, do not identify as pro-ana. In fact, the words “ana” and “mia” have been banned from use on our boards because we feel that these words trivialize eating disorders, the most fatal of any psychiatric illness. The creator of Face of Pro-Ana does not, as you attempt to do, promote eating disorder awareness. He or she is only accepting comments that call us “fatties,” “not eating disordered,” etc. We have sent in multiple comments about the fact that EDed individuals come in all shapes and sizes, and none of these comments have been posted. We have sent in multiple comments about how hard it is to have an eating disorder, and these have not been posted. The comments that HAVE been posted on that site do NOT promote ED awareness, they promote increasing the already terrible stigma surrounding eating disorders and perpetuate the myth that everyone with an eating disorder is underweight, and that if someone is not underweight they do not have an eating disorder or are a “wannabe.” These comments are untrue, humiliating, and triggering.

    If you truly have our best interests at heart, and hope to promote ED awareness, which I truly hope and believe to be the case, you will remove the picture of Dominique and the link to Faces of Pro-Ana, and perhaps apologize to the people who you have hurt and triggered.

    Thank you,
    Amy

  77. Stacie says:

    Irishish * Beth*

    Your still on cb what the fuck are you complaining about??

  78. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Ok, I don’t really know what to say.
    There’s a huge debate going on.. Everyone’s all intelligent.. Haha so I’ll sound really dumb.

    I came to CB two years ago, as a 12 yr old girl completely freaking out with the prospects of IP.. I didn’t know what was happening to me.
    I have now/am now attempting recovery and without these beautiful girls I would NOT have even tried. They have supported me through EVERYTHING.
    They explained what was happening, they knew how I felt.. I could finally RELATE to someone instead of thinking I was so fucked up!
    They took me through binges, days my head simply would not let me eat, fights, doctor visits.. God, they have done everything for me.. Not just told me to ‘get over things’.
    I honestly do not believe I would be alive today withotut he help of these girls.
    One even caught a train all the way to where I lived when I was having one of my worst times.. To help me through things.. Hold me when I was crying and made me some soup.. So I could eat SOMETHING.
    These girls are my heros – NOT because we are pro ana. I would not wish an eating disorder on my worst enemy – but because they are beautiful, intelligent, fun loving girls!
    I don’t think anyone really understands the harm a blog like that does to people who are already mentally ill!
    I, for one, know that people calling me a ‘fatty’ is not helping my recovery.

    Xx

    Kat

  79. Sarah says:

    TO EVERYONE SAYING THIS IS JUST LIKE “REAL GIRL THINSPIRATION”

    I don’t really agree with ” real girl thinspiration” BUT Almost everyone has a disclaimer on their site saying they are more then willing to take down these photos.

    Faces of Pro Ana WILL NOT take down photos…

    So I personally think the “its just like real girl thinspiration” arguement is a bunch of crap…

    AND people on these sites DON’T write slanderous, lude, false comments about the girls used for “real girl thinspo”

    Faces of Pro Ana DOES write slanderous, lude, false comments about the girls it uses.

    To faces of pro ana because I am sure you wont respond to me on your site..

    How would you feel about people posting pictures of your neice online and calling her pro ana?

    If you say everyone who visits these sites are pro ana… and you say you found these sites because your neice was visiting these site… Well isn’t it only fair to put her picture on your site under the heading “This is the face of pro ana” ?

    I’ll be waiting to see her face…

  80. Amanda says:

    I do not agree with the Faces of Pro-Ana website posting these pictures, but I guess if you put your picture out there, you have to face the consequences, good or bad. That is why I do not post a picture of myself on the web. That includes my Myspace and Facebook accounts. I don’t want my picture out there. I think that some of these girls are so young, that maybe they did not realize the consequences of their actions.

    I am not a member of the CB site, but I decided to check it out. I am glad there are sections about the dangers of ED and recovery, but I was very disturbed by some of what I read. In the “not ready for recovery” section, there is a list of what is considered safe and negative calorie foods. There is also a list of diet plans that the person who created the site says is to help some at least eat something, but if you read the first paragraph in all of the diet plans, it will tell you how much weight you can loose in X amount of days.

    Since I am not a member, I obviously can not read what type of info is on the boards, but I was disturbed by some of the rules. Such as “nude images of adults must be personal photos or in a Thinspirational context” or self-injury photos must include a link to the picture.

    I am not agreeing with what the owners of Faces of Pro-Ana are doing, but I can see why they think CB is a pro-ana site. It may be a place that many go for support, but dangerous information IS posted on that site.

    If your picture is on Faces of Pro-Ana, I am sorry for what you are going through. It must be really hard. I hope that your pictures will be taken down.

  81. Irishish says:

    First of all, spell my name right. It’s not IrishIrish. If you can’t even comprehend my name, why should I think you comprehend anything else you read?
    Brianna- yes you have killed way too many brain cells being a stringy-haired crackhead. When have I EVER been pro, when have I EVER shown any sort of pro ideals? I left because I was disgusted by CB and because I could no longer stand to be associated with something that exemplified those sorts of pro-ideals. As you can imagine, my speaking out against pro-ana didn’t go over very well on a forum like CB.
    But hey, way to be the classy mature one by calling me a “bitch” when you can’t even remember who I am.
    As for the rest of you, half of you don’t even know who I am and you’re just being defensive because you don’t like your actions being dragged out into the light. Get over it, not my problem, don’t direct it towards me. If you’re so embarrassed now that people are seeing what you’re doing, you shouldn’t have done it in the first place.
    I was actually banned not only for creating a fake profile but for being a general shit starter. Do you remember that picture in the thinspo threads of the girl’s butt with the caption, “do you like thinspo?… kiss my ass.” Yeah, that was me. In case you forgot, here you go. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/analurvesme/DSC00137.jpg
    Yeah, that’s very very pro-ana isn’t it. I wasn’t never banned for having a pro-ana attitude, I was banned for having multiple accounts. That was the “reason” that was given in my official CB letter, which I would be happy to forward to anyone who wants it.
    To whoever it was that said I was still on the boards- since when? Where is my user name? I dare you to find my user name anywhere. Unlike the rest of you, I actually have a life outside of the internet and yeah, I will admit screwing with everyone on CB was fun for awhile, but me and my friends will all admit after awhile it did get old and boring. It’s not all that funny when the people you’re screwing with don’t even realize they’re the butt of the joke because it goes right over their head.
    The only fake account I did continue to have on CB I actually let get disconnected for inactivity. It simply got old, I got tired of the bullshit, and I’m sick of getting blamed for things I have not done, like the CB MySpace. Which, by the way, Katherine, how mature is it of you to say that you hope that I die, that I choke on ipecac, that I have a heart attack, that I am “fat” (even though I’m thinner than you while I’m in recovery), that my mom was a bad mom, oh and that I’m a “wanna.” If I’m a “wanna,” what does that make you? Next time you choose to attack me, get some proof. Even though the pictures YOU posted online are public domain and therefore, since no crime has been committed, you cannot possibly get a court order to get the IP address, if you COULD you would see that it is not mine. You would see that with the MySpace and everything else you’ve ignorantly blamed me for.
    You all keep saying I will go to hell for this. Trust me, I may be in hell but it won’t be for this. And I’ll see each of you judgmental hypocrites there.

    PS- to the members of CB who have been keeping me up to date on everything that’s been going on, you know I appreciate it. I don’t want to say names because you don’t need to be subjected to their abuse too, but it’s always good to know how much people hate you. 😀

  82. Brianna says:

    so what if i was being immature when i called you a bitch. big fucking deal. your the idiot who obviously didnt read when i said i got you confused with someone else you fucking cunt.

  83. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Haha.
    I laugh at you because you actually think you’re ok.
    You need some mental help.
    =(
    I’m sorry you can’t see that.

  84. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    (To Beth btw. Briiii =D Love you)

  85. A Healthy Girl says:

    There is one thing in the world that I believe in above everything else: Respect!

    Many of the comments here, not taking down the pictures, accusing each other of different things etc. shows a lack of this.

    Try respecting other people. It makes life so much more beautiful. Think of how little time we have here. Wouldn’t it be great to look back at your life thinking “At least I respected the people around me” ?

  86. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Gah, well you see… I try.
    BUT, in reality. I am merely a teenage girl who is fucked up =D
    Go me.
    I’m pissy.
    Whilst I could try and construct a detailed and well thought out argument, I would rather just let people know how SHIT they are making me feel.

  87. Brianna says:

    i have respect for those who warrant respect. i have respect for the majority of people who have posted here, as well as mamaV. beth? fuck beth she deserves zero respect.

  88. Sara says:

    Irishish, you’re a motherfucking asshole.

    You’re worth less than the shit in a septic tank.

    You are from Kansas City, no? [If not, oh well. I make mistakes.]

    I’ll be damned if I ever see your face in KC. I’ll be imprisoned, to say the least.

  89. Echo says:

    Please, please don’t throw insults. If possible it would be great if we could all sort this amicably, but as it is everyone already seems to think badly enough of us. That is not going to help.

    CB is a beautiful place, that has helped countless people. There are many evils on the internet and we are not one of them.

  90. Ironic says:

    The comments on this page are, largely, ironic.

    The comments from some saying, “your stupid.” Ironic.

    There have been claims to legality, yet every picture posted online becomes public domain. However, there is one illegal post here. Sara’s very public threat of physical harm to “Irishish,” even listing a town, is illegal. Despite the hissy fits, that it is the only illegal post I can see.

    Yes, ironic.

  91. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    I just don’t understand how someone could do this.
    This is just about me.. But many other girls on this site are the same..
    I have never encouraged an ED.
    I am trying to recover
    I am trying to SUPPORT people who are also.
    I am helping people to feel better about themselves
    I am in DEEP shit if my parents see that because.. It’ll hutr them so much. I thought I had hidden everything well and I’m healthy now! THEY DONT NEED TO KNOW
    I’ve just started a new school and don’t need to be bitched about

    IM ONLY FOURTEEN.
    Dammit, I wish being young was an excuse for everything.

  92. Darkness says:

    Sara:

    Direct Quote:

    You’re right, butterflies.

    But like I said, I lost my cool. It slipped. Can’t take it back.

    You said this regarding Irishish, why not post it here since you did post possibly where this young woman lives and threaten her life. You could quite possibly be arrested for such action. As I said before pot calling the kettle black get over yourselfs, have another binge and cry.

    If I were here I would personally report you it is a federal crime to threaten a person’s life on the internet.

  93. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON CB!? HOW ARE YOU READING THAT!?

  94. kathleen says:

    ‘Darkness’, she made a mistake, everyone does. It’s because we’re human. And we should be treated like humans and not like shit. Stop starting fucking drama. This is pointless and stupid. Get over yourself and go get a life.

  95. Sarah says:

    Actually photos are copyrighted. Once they are placed on a medium in which the can be developed including computers and the internet the owner of said photos holds the legal copyright to this item. Unless the person waives this copyright with a direct statement aka “You may use my photos” They still hold the copyright to these photos.

    And I don’t know if you noticed one of these photos were taken by a professional photography business. In the bottom conor of a photo there are the words “Glamour Shots” this is a proffesional business. So while the person who posted the photot broke a copyright agreement. Since Faces reproduced the image (changing the url of the picture constitutes reproduction) they committed an illegal copyright infringement.

    Oh and by the way Slander, and defimation of charector, both of which are occuring at faces of pro ana, are illegal. People can sue because of that.

    So the only irony I see is you claiming people people calling you stupid is ironic then fallowing that with a slew of ignorant false statements

  96. Darkness says:

    I am no one I am everyone I am darkness I am inside you I am outside you and Y OU FUCK WITH MY FRIENDS YOU FUCK WITH ME…

    Another quote…

    Nobody’s asking you to. We all understand why and it’s how you feel. I think you’re safe to say it here, IrishIrish has almost turned into out own personal Hitler..

    That was badly put. I’m sure I’ve just incinuated something awful. I just mean that she’s not exactly popular here.

    How dare you call or put her in akin to Hitler of all people do you know how many people died because of Hitler you bitch.

    Another quote:

    ok, i’m gonna be a bitch here and say that i think that anyone who even remotely likes irishish needs to be deleted off CB. you are not welcome here anymore and who ever you are i think you are a fucking worthless cunt. and no, i will not take that statement back. …

    This from a psycho bitch that posts about her Noose around the neck posts and her being Raped in a 911 forum.

    You will never figure out that is the part that is so rich about this whole thing, I could be one of your closest of friends.

  97. Ironic says:

    Sarah-
    Actually, no one has called me stupid. My comment was that to call someone else stupid by misspelling “you’re,” a second-grade spelling word, is rather ironic- it is a child’s spelling word, so for teens to misspell that while accusing someone else of being stupid is, in fact, ironic.
    The facts you reference refer to making profit off pictures. As blogger and its posters make no profit, what you posted does not apply.
    And actually, there has been no slander committed here. Slander refers to spoken word. As this is all written word, there has been no slander. You might want to research your legal terms better before making empty threats and silly insults.

  98. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Please stop.
    Please.

  99. I spy says:

    no. I’m not leaving. I’m going to continue to help her.

  100. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    You know what?
    Ok, you do that.
    Nothing will come out of it.
    It’s not going to affect me in real life..
    Haha.

  101. I spy says:

    If I’m not going to affect you in real life, why’d you just say this?
    “I honestly thin I’m about to have a mental breakdown.”

  102. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Because I was freaking out..
    Haha.
    Now I’m calm.
    I realised that.. This doesn’t mean anything… Nothing you can do can harm me in the slightest.

  103. Ailsa says:

    Please can this stop. It has turned into a personal attack against a forum that supports people with ED’s. This is not even about the original topic anymore.
    I can understand that people may not comprehend why a site like cb exists but for those of us struggling with mental health problems it acts as a life line. It stops us from feeling like we are completely alone in this world and that someone understands what we are going through.
    If you don’t like the website that’s one thing but you are making attacks on people who have done nothing wrong.
    We don’t know who you are but we will not turn against each other – we are a support forum and this is what we will do support each other.

    MamaV – don’t you think this post is getting a little out of hand?

    If anyone wishes to contact me I have a blog ct-dream.blogspot.com.

    Ailsa

  104. Amy says:

    I love you, butterflies, and I truly hope we get through this. Do not let this effect you or trigger you. Know that we care about each other and that is what matters.

    United we stand.

  105. I spy says:

    so you’re not still crying to your friend, while you both panic together?

    what’s her name…. pray something?

  106. Echo says:

    Thank you Ailsa and Amy, you’re both amazing.

    United we stand.

  107. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    =)
    Everything’s going to be just fine.
    I love feeling in control.

  108. kathleen says:

    What point are you trying to get across ‘i spy’? Do you enjoy trying to put others down online? Do you get a kick out of watching us panic because information that’s suppose to be private, is now going public? Seriously, it’s not funny, cool, entertaining, or anything like that. And if you and ‘your friends’ think it is, it just shows that you’re lonely and you’re crying out for people to notice you. If you’re that lonely, why don’t you go out and make some new friends?

    Grow up, please.

  109. I spy says:

    “We need to keep our cool, despite how impossible and frustrating this seems.”
    “When they are being immature and rude, attacking us all personally, we will show that we are intelligent, caring people”

    what good little sheep you are, following that advice. Don’t you think it’s a little late to come across here as anything but rude and immature?

    But I suppose with that thread locked you’re having to find a different one to have your panic attacks in

  110. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Haha dw about it.
    We know the one’s who have real mental problems here.
    We’re strong enough to handle this.

  111. Echo says:

    I spy, if *you* have a problem why not come out and talk reasonably about it rather than trying to ignite fear and paranoia?

  112. kathleen says:

    Seriously, there isn’t anything to panic about. You’re just some bored person who’s trying to get a kick out of hurting others when we didn’t do anything to you. If you have a grudge about something, get over it and move on.

  113. I spy says:

    Because you don’t care, remember?

    “Personally I don’t care if that BLOODY WHORE can read what I’m writing. YOU HEAR ME, YOU SKANK?!? I DONT CARE. ”

    Why don’t you post some more pictures of your 300-pound self in lingerie and then whine some more about your lack of privacy?

  114. Echo says:

    Um, neither I not Kathleen wrote that.

  115. I spy says:

    “This is getting old. :( It’s reminds me of my 8th grade year. So much drama. To bad people can’t download lifes off the internet. Whoever that person is, seriously needs one.”

    I’m the one who can’t get off the internet kathleen?

    “I am. \:
    I’ve been around all day. Maybe that’s why I’m fucking freezing to death. I hardly moved all day. :( Sad..”

  116. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    You can have some more of me if you want.
    I’m actually 120 pounds though.
    The lingerie is sexy =D
    But, you might be arrested because of my age..

  117. kathleen says:

    If you want to spy on us, at least quote the right people. [:

  118. kathleen says:

    Whoever said I wanted to get off the internet? I’m not sitting here trying to make girls feel bad about themselves.

  119. Darkness says:

    Has the suicide hotline hung up on anyone lately??? It happens all the time to attention whores, who need to stop grazing like a cow, to think of all the children in africa starving because of you Sally Struters be dammed!!!

  120. Sara says:

    I said I might be imprisoned. I did not make direct threats to her.

    I might be imprisoned [institutionalized, incarcerated] for harming myself.

    Speaking of which…

    I am sorry I was born. Sorry for all the pain I’ve put everyone else through. This is too much.

    You can come spit on my grave whenever you like.

  121. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Haha because of COURSE.. All the food we wasted would have been sent over to Africa and saved them all!
    Even if we didn’t buy as much, we wouldn’t help them.

  122. Darkness says:

    OH and trying to get someone to hack this site is illegal as well, try to locate someone’s ISP/IP through illegal acts is as well.

  123. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    SO IS SLANDER.
    Jebus.
    You’re so PAINFUL.
    As a child, did the other kids pick on you? Were you the last picked for teams? Have no lab partner?
    I can’t see another person wanting to be near you.

  124. I spy says:

    You are all such good butterflies. you do everything your mods tell you to- right down to the tips and tricks section huh?

  125. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    I love it how you just ignore us and try and create NEW things that are wrong when we obviously don’t care anymore

  126. Ironic says:

    Kat- you seem to not understand the concept of slander. It has not occurred once on this page. I would suggest you research the concept further, but I already did and it obviously did no good.

  127. kathleen says:

    Kat hun, it’s better to just not post here anymore. Let them say and think what they want. None of us can change it. Lets just move on. [:

  128. Darkness says:

    Slander is something that is KNOWN to be FALSE and to cause direct or indirect harm to person or persons, direct quotes, photos that are put up by the person that they belong to does not consistute slander.

    It would be slander if I called you a crack whore and told it to your boss and knew it was not true, HOWEVER, I am not calling you one nor saying it to another individual that would cause you harm.

    Such as financial loss, or other such harm. Learn your lessons and um a 4th year law student is like a 7th year associate degree student, watch Tommy Boy again, you’ll like it.

  129. fairy princess says:

    I know for a fact, the girl holding the skull in the photo is NOT pro-ana, infact she left CB because it was not pro-reality enough for her, despite the fact that CB has evolved throughout the years from pro-ana to something more like pro-reality with an emphasis on safety for its members (as safe as eating disordered people can be). I know that girl, and I am sure the picture is academic related, nothing to do with with anorexia. I don’t think she would be very happy to know that her picture is on here, and that she is being slandered as a pro-ana “psycho”. It could do a lot of emotional damage to her. I ask you to please take the picture of my friend down. The words”ana” and “mia” aren’t even allowed on CB. CB is not pro-ana, it is probably the safest, and most sane eating disorder support groups on the net. You have no idea what you are doing.

  130. Ironic says:

    So far, Darkness appears to be the only one here to grasp the term of “slander” and why exactly it has not occurred anywhere here or on Faces of Pro Ana…

  131. Sara says:

    Correction. You have no idea what you’ve done.

    Also, Darkness. We are discussing the horrid site, FOPA here, because they won’t allow comments. Unless they degrade us even further.

  132. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    We’ve already talked about dominique.. Nothing else we can do. Sorry.

  133. Sara says:

    And have you heard of the term “libel”?

  134. Ironic says:

    So you did do your research. It only took how many posts?
    But the thing about libel is that the comments have to be wrong.

  135. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Which they are.

  136. kathleen says:

    Who the hell are you to say what we think? You don’t decide shit for us.

  137. Brianna says:

    you \fucking whore, hodare you bring up my suicide attempt and my fucking rape. you fucking lousy whore.

  138. fairy princess says:

    I may have used slander incorrectly. It’s still not right to have a picture of this girl on here and imply that she is pro-ana, when in fact she is not. Therefore, mamavision does not know what she is doing in regards to this particular post. That’s nothing against her personally, I am just trying to let her know. *sigh* you will do what you want… goodbye.

  139. Empty says:

    “Personally I don’t care if that BLOODY WHORE can read what I’m writing. YOU HEAR ME, YOU SKANK?!? I DONT CARE. ”

    Yeah, that was me on CB. And I still don’t care.

    Also, the suicide hotline hangup? That was me too.

    And by the way, for your information, I’ve never even come close to weighing 300 lbs. Nice try though =)

    I’ve also never posted pictures of myself in lingerie. The most risque thing I’ve ever posted was the outfit that consisted of a corset, low-cut shirt, a skirt, fishnet stockings, and boots, from when I went to Rocky Horror. Those photos are posted on my Myspace, where even my family members can see them – because I’m not ashamed of them.

    What I am ashamed of is someone being malicious with no real reasoning behind it… Someone trying to push our buttons. It’s that, that gets me most.

    If facesofproana had been true to its stated purpose, it would have taken down our photos per our request because (I, dominique, and all the girls I know on CB) are not pro-ana.

    But it’s become obvious that this is some sort of revenge tactic… Tell me, other than my angry post on CB {About this situation, I might add} that you quoted, what have I ever done to you?

  140. Gah. says:

    To bring up someone’s suicide attempt is cruel.

    And CB is a great place, with great people. This shit is seriously fucked up. why the fuck can’t you just leave us alone? Take the pictures down?

  141. stazie says:

    I hope you are proud of yourself.
    It seems pretty ironic that somebody who is just out to hurt people, and obviously needs help for their poblems, feels that they have the right to go out and criticise innocent people.
    None of the honest people on CB would ever purposely hurt anybody else, after all, we are only there to help each other get through tough times.
    If you think you are to good for everybody else, why be on CB at all? Aren’t you better than us all?
    See that’s the thing, your not, and you want to be a part of it. You can’t stand the fact that nobody wants you there because of the way you are.
    If you are such a big hero, admit who you are because being a keyboard warrior, you are only making yourself look more pathetic.

  142. Darkness says:

    ahahahahah you liar you pathetic fat liar…

    one thing you are correct about…

    DELETE ME

  143. anonymous says:

    MamaV- Don’t you think it is time to put a stop to this? I am appalled at the language used here. Please insisted that posters a least use some class.

    Girls, take your fight back to CB where it belongs. This is not the Faces of Pro-Ana blog, it is MamaVision. Those of us that come here for support should not have to be subjected to this type of behaviour. I know many of you are young, but please show a little maturity. Talking like sailors is offensive.

  144. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    We’re talking here because we can’t talk on FoPA. =)
    If we could we would..
    I’m sorry if I’ve offended anyone.

  145. anonymous says:

    I understand that you are frustrated about not being able to post on FoPA. I would be extremely upset if my photo were on there also. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that most of you are members of CB, so why not take the discussion there?

  146. stazie says:

    Because “darkness” won’t own up to who she is on the boards. It’s entirely up to her the take that step.

  147. Lauren says:

    Thankyou for showing your true colours.
    Using peoples sucide attempts, peoples need for support after a rape, is indignified and reflects poorly on your behalf.
    I agree. The language in some of these replies has been awful, and even though I do not condone it, I can understand how it feels to not be heard.
    The reason for CB’s existence is not to promote ED’s but to provide support for those who are suffering from ED’s without fear of discrimination and judgement. It is a place for us to go, when the rest of the world is not prepared to listen. Just because one suffers from an ED and is a member of a related support group, does not mean they are promoting the illness. Would you not agree that we are entitled to some support, that we are entitled to have some one to talk to, some one to listen. For those who do not have a mental illness, do you understand how hard it is to confront a society that does not really understand the nature of ED’s and raise your hand and declare you need help? From this blog, can you understand the stigma and judgement we are faced with everyday, that instills a fear of rejection or being humiliated because we do not appear to fit the profile of having an ED? Are you aware of the costs of mental health care, and the lack of funding to help those who are seriously ill and need of help?
    There are so many obstacles and walls put up that prevent us from seeking help, is it wrong of us to create a sanctuary for those who are suffering to come together?
    Take this back to the boards you say? You say it belongs there? Then why is this blog even in existence? If you bring this to a public platform, then you need to be prepared to fight it on a public platform. Our faces are wrongly on that site! We are entitled to the right of reply. Just as all of you, including the creator of the blog at the core of this debate is entitled to their freedom of speech and expression, so are we!
    I hope from the posts those in the wider community can see that this is a public personal attack of some emotionally vunerable people who have merely come together through a need a support and understanding. I hope they can see the malice intent behind this site, being to create mass hysteria and duress amongst a group of amazing people, who sadly are suffering from a serious mental illness. They have achieved this, and I hope that they are proud of themselves.
    We are not “pathetic fat liars” we are people who fight an uphill battle against an illness that society does not fully understand. Weight and food are not the problem, the problem itself is the cause of the development of these self destructive behaviours.

  148. Sara says:

    We were talking on CB, you see?

    But there’s someone, who has yet to be discovered, who is quoting us from CB and posting it here.

    Darkness, as they go by here, is the one.

  149. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Lauren.. I completely agree.
    It’s what I would have said if I was smart and could contruct a good argument =P
    Thank you for taking your time to write that.

    Xx

  150. Echo says:

    Beautifully put, Lauren. Thank you <3

  151. anonymous says:

    I understand you feel a need to express yourselves. I have fought an ED for more than half my life, I know what it is like. I know your pain and suffering. My problem is, it seems half your fight is done on this site, half is done on CB. Do you know how hard it is to follow what is going on when you do not know who the responses are being made to or when a response to a post from CB is made here?

    Coming here to call people names and fight over the definitions of slander and copyrighted material is silly and immature. Everyone is upset and panicking which is completely understandable, but would not more be accomplished by talking about your feelings than calling each other offensive names? Does it really matter if darkness owns up to who she is? Fighting with her will not get her to stop. It only adds fuel to her fire.

    MamaV can do nothing about the pictures on FoPA. I do not always agree with MamaV’s shock tactics, but I do understand the point she is trying to make. I would like to see her take down the picture of Dominique and the link to FoPA, but only she can make that decision.

  152. Lauren says:

    I have updated my blog.. Check it out! You wanted to take this of this blog.. Well I have taken it here…

    http://diseasenotlifestyle.blogspot.com

  153. Brianna says:

    you are right, mamaV can’t do anything about the FoPA website, but she can delete the post she made (this one) linking back to the slanderous website.

  154. Lauren says:

    “My problem is, it seems half your fight is done on this site, half is done on CB. Do you know how hard it is to follow what is going on when you do not know who the responses are being made to or when a response to a post from CB is made here? ”

    The interesting thing, is that the creator of FACES OF PRO ANA has chosed to select people off a site that is a private forum that requires one to register and be approved before being admitted to the site. Registration has been closed for the last 3 months.
    Do you not find it a little odd that a closed private forum has been selected. We have no way to show what we are saying is true? Isn’t that just a little conveiniant for the blog owner..?

    None of our constructive comments have been posted on the FACES OF PRO ANA BLOG but comments such as :
    Not a single girl on there looks even slightly anorexic.

    “Next time you are trying to make ‘Welcome to Faces of Pro-ana’ site, you should probably get some realistic photos, as opposed to a bunch of fatties.

    Good luck next time!

    lol”

    How is that constructive? That just reiterates our belief that we are not sick enough to ask for help or discuss this in the real world. It is comment like this that creates private forums like CB, a place where we come not only for support and understanding without fear of judgement or discrimination, but a place where we feel that can we can admit we have a mental illness without the fear of someone ridiculing us and saying “your too fat to have an ED”

    This just reinforces the belief that you have to be emaciated to have an ED, that is it normal to binge / purge / starve yourself unless you are emaciated. How is this educating society on the reality of ED’s? its comments like this that highlight and cement the accepted social norm that unless you are emaciated you are not sick. It is stigmas such as these that lead Eating disorder individuals to deny them selves help until it is too late, it is these beliefs that lead us to believe that we are not sick enough to warrant help!

  155. anonymous says:

    Lauren- I do not know for sure, but I assume your response was to me. You ask why this blog is in existence. I believe MamaV started this blog to help parents become aware of the dangers of Pro-ana. It just happens that a lot of ED sufferers come here for support.

    I believe in freedom of speech also, but I do not believe this is the place for the fighting that has been going on. You say CB is a place for support, but no one can tell that by the type of language and name calling that has been going on here by posters from CB. If people want to come here for support because they are upset by FoPA, I completely understand. I agree that it is wrong to label people with mental disorders and post their pictures on a site. How can I offer support to these girls when all they are doing is calling each other names? What are they accomplishing?

    You state “we are not pathetic, fat liars”. I’m not sure where you got that from, but I’m sure it is hurtful. Many people do not understand that you do not have to be emaciated to be eating disordered. Many bulimics are of normal weight or overweight. This is why it is so hard for girls to get the help they need. They think they are not sick enough if they are not severly underweight. I do not think they realize that bulimia is more dangerous that anorexia. I wish the stigma against overweight people did not exist, but unfortunatly it does.

    What we can do is try to bring more recognition to the problems facing people with EDs. I believe that is what this sight is about. I say that the fighting belongs on CB because it is a private site, and this seems to be a fight amongst the CB users. Fighting here accomplishes nothing. It will not help others see that “malice intent” behind FoPA. Talking about how this has affected your lives will do that. Calling each other names only shows a level of immaturity that will turn others who may be able to offer help away.

    Post here about how hurt, angry, and afraid you are. Support each other in this time of need. Stop the hatred.

  156. Lauren says:

    “I believe in freedom of speech also, but I do not believe this is the place for the fighting that has been going on. You say CB is a place for support, but no one can tell that by the type of language and name calling that has been going on here by posters from CB. If people want to come here for support because they are upset by FoPA, I completely understand. I agree that it is wrong to label people with mental disorders and post their pictures on a site. How can I offer support to these girls when all they are doing is calling each other names? What are they accomplishing?”

    When your back is against the wall and you are being accused of something you have not done, would you not get a little defensive?
    If your suicide attempt, or your rape was brought up and used as a personal attack, would you not be feeling more than just a little defensive?

    If you choose to target one group of people, and choose to name them as the faces of pro ana, without bringing to light that there are many PUBLIC freely accessible sites, with no moderation on the internet, and it shows up on a public blog then you need to understand that we will do what is necessary to defend not only our dignity and honour, but also the honour of those we care about. How can we defend ourselves on a private forum that is not accessible to the public? We do not need to defend ourselves to the people on CB, we know the truth of what we are about, but how defend ourselves to people who are replying to this thread, labelling us as “pshycos”, “pathetic fat liars” or “today’s youth so bored that they cling on to some grim reality for the shock factor?”
    I agree, the insulting language, use of “scare tactics”, empty threats and insults are not productive, but hopefully you can deduce from these how severely hurt these young woman are!

    “CB because it is a private site” this is true, and as a result, we should not be hauled through the coals and accused of promoting something completely unfounded when we have no way to prove what goes on behind CB’s walls..

    If this was a public, readily accessible forum and my picture showed up then I would have to bear the fact that I took that risk!

  157. Brianna says:

    and as a completely random unrelated comment… mamaV i LOVE the little smiley face in the top right corner.

  158. Lauren says:

    Just for clarrification. I understand the thought and the reason behind the MamaV blog overall, but this particular thread is extremely detrimental to a group of very emotional vunerable individuals.

    MamaV does an amazing job at promoting awareness of Eating Disorders and relating issues, my issue does not lie with her, but with the creator of the Faces of Pro Ana blog. The fact that they are not willing to discuss this issue with us is extremely infuriating and unfair.

  159. anonymous says:

    Lauren- It seems we were posting responses at the same time. When I originally said “why don’t you take the discussion to CB?” I guess I should have made it clear that I meant the fighting. Obviously, MamaV put this post up for it to be discussed, I just don’t think this is the place for all the fighting to occur.

    I only heard of FoPA from this post, I went to the sight once to check out what it was about, and I haven’t been back since. I did not look into how to join the forum, so I did not know that it has been close for three months. I did know that they seem to choose whose response they post.

    I agree with the stigma of believing that if someone is not underweight, they can not possibly have an ED. I do not have anorexia, so I have never been underweight. My weight fluctuates greatly, depending on the cycles of my ED. Because of this, I find it hard to ask anyone for help.

    I think that the problem is that society, as a whole, glamorizes anorexia. How often to you hear about bulimia, BED, or COED? I bet many people do not know much about these dieases. Bulimia is seen as a disgusting disease, so no one wants to talk about it. I once read a quote somewhere that “anorexics strive for perfection, bulimics strive to be anorexic”. I wish I could remember where I read it, and who wrote it, but I remember how it struck me as “yes, finally someone gets it.”
    Sad, but true.

  160. Lauren says:

    I agree.. Fighting is useless and is not getting anywhere. We are all adults, and we can discuss this in an adult like manner. However I can understand the frustration of members of my community and I understand why they felt they needed to resort to “fighting”

    I am not look for heads to roll, I am not interested in fighting with anyone, I am not looking to hurt anyone, yell at anyone or call them names. I just want all this to stop! Thats what we all want.

    We just want to be heard, and we want our association with the pro ana movement to be removed based simply on the fact that it is not true.

    I would quiety walk away, no questions asked, if the owner of the Faces of Pro Ana blog would remove our pictures and highlight the real issue at heart. I want to pro ana movement stopped too, and I know that having my face and the faces of those I care about on that site is not achieving that. But until such a time, I will continue to defend myself and the CB community because this is not what we stand for, however I will continue to do so, in a constructive and adult like manner..

    Anonomous: I am sorry you have struggled with an ED, you must understand how hard it is for us to be associated with such a thing. I hope if you have not yet got it, you find the strength and courage to ask for it. Because whether or not you believe it, you have the strength within you to fight this if you just believe in yourself! *hugs*

  161. anonymous says:

    Lauren- I agree that not being able to defend yourself is completely unfair. I truely do feel for the girls on FoPA. I can’t possibly know how they feel, because I am not one of them, but I do feel for them.

    I believe that bringing up someones personal information about a suicide attempt or rape is despicable. I would want to defend myself also, but I believe the tactics these girls are using, are only adding to darkness wanting to hurt them more. She is only looking for a response, and she is getting exactly what she wants.

    I, too, wish that MamaV would take down the picture and the link. It is only hurting people, and I hope she will see that.

  162. Lauren says:

    Thank you.. Its very encouraging to know that someone understands the damage that is being done.
    I wish I could show you the damage this is doing the people involved, not just those of us who have been pictured, but also the wider CB community.
    I agree, that this is the response that darkness wanted to get, but unfortunatley who ever they are have severely hurt a lot of people and its extremely difficult to just turn a blind eye. The damage has been done, and hysteria has resulted. Yes it has played right into their hands, but we have each other and day by day, regardless of the outcome we will get through this because we have each other and this does not change who we are.

    Its just a shame that so many amazing people have been hurt so badly, for what appears to be one individuals self satisifaction *sigh*

  163. anonymous says:

    Lauren- I am glad you have each other to lean on for support. I think that is very important in times like this. I understand it is hard to turn a blind I when someone is trying to deliberately hurt you, but did your mom ever tell you to ignore the bully that was picking on you when you were little and they will eventually get tired of not getting a response and stop? I think this is a good time to follow mom’s advice. I know it is hard, especially because some of these girls are so young, but I think it is the best way to handle the situation with darkness.

    I hope that the people who started FoPA will realize the hurt they are causing, and will close down their site. I can understand them being concerned about their neice, and wanting to bring awareness to pro-ana, but they should have went about it in a different way. Causing this kind of hurt to so many girls who already suffering is disgusting.

    Thanks for the hug. Here’s one back at ya. XX

  164. Lauren says:

    “but did your mom ever tell you to ignore the bully that was picking on you when you were little and they will eventually get tired of not getting a response and stop? ”
    Yes my mum did, but public bullying where your honour is being threatened deserves a right of reply…

    But thankyou for your understanding and thanks for the hug =)

  165. anonymous says:

    I agree that it deserves the right of reply, but that is only bringing about more bullying and in turn, more hurt for these poor girls. These girls are hurting enough right now. I do not know them, but I believe that it is in their best interest to stop responding to darkness and lean on their friends for support. I know it may be hard, but I would think that eventually darkness would get tired and go away. Or is it possible to have this person removed from CB?

  166. Brianna says:

    anon. we are trying to have the person removed. however, we don’t know who it is.

  167. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    I just have a little bit of an issue..
    It couldn’t have been people concerned about their niece..
    There are pictures from 5ish days ago.. and ones that were there a year ago which were taken down after only 2 days of being displayed.
    It has to be a longstanding member..
    NOT someone who’s concerned abotu their niece.

  168. anonymous says:

    Briana- Is this person only attacking on MamaV? I thought she was also attacking on CB. Of course I am not a member there, and I do find it hard to follow some of the posts here.

    Kat- As I stated, I had not heard about FoPA until MamaV put this post on her site. I had never heard of CB before either. I am only going by the information that was given by the creators of the site. They state that their niece was using their computer, left a window open, and when they looked, the found that she was looking at pro-ana sites. This is just the info they give, whether it is true or not, I don’t know.

  169. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Yes, I was not in any way saying that you were a dickhead or insulting you for believing it.
    All I wanted to express was the fact that this is not possible.
    It IS malicious.

  170. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Oh, and she is not attacking on CB or the fight will be there.
    She is on CB, as far as we can tell.. A trusted member. But, we don’t know who as to yet.
    The mods have a fair idea but until there’s proof…

  171. anonymous says:

    Kat- I did not believe you thought that about me. I just wanted you to know where I got that information. I have never seen the pictures before, so I could not know how recent they are.

    I hope that it can be figured out who it is. I would think that MamaV might be able to tell since we are required to enter an e-mail addy to post, although the person could be using a different one each time.

    I still think the best response is no response. I know it is hard not to respond when someone is attacking you, but the types of responses being given only adds fuel to the fire. Let it simmer, and eventually it will go out.

  172. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    I could just not respond. That’s doing even less to get my picture taken off that site thuogh!

  173. anonymous says:

    Okay, I’m confused. Maybe it is because it is after 2 in the morning here, and I should have went to bed hours ago, but I did a search on yahoo for CB, and came up with two sites, seemingly the same, but different. One was CB6.0 which seemed pro-ana to me, and CB7.0 which seemed geared more towards recovery. If you clicked on some of the links on both sites, it would take you to the same page. I’m not trying to judge anyone here, and I still think that putting pictures up on FoPA is wrong, but why the two different versions of CB?

  174. anonymous says:

    Kat- Can’t you see that responding to people such as Darkness is doing nothing to get your photo removed from that site? The people who need to see what it has done to you are the creators of that site, not Darkness. I hope that they read this blog, and if they do belong to CB, read on the message board how damaging their actions have been. Ignore Darkness, let her see that she means nothing to you.

  175. anonymous says:

    Okay, I went back and looked again. It looks like the creator of the site went into treatment, and decided to change her website to reflect more of where she was at in terms of her ED. I guess there is still access to some on the info that was on the site before it was updated. Sorry if I upset anyone. I was just confused for a moment. Lack of sleep. I’m going to bed now.

  176. Darkness says:

    You have no idea.

  177. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    YOU have no sense of reality.

  178. Empty says:

    This is a message specifically to MamaV – I’m sorry we’re jacking your comments section here. It’s such a huge mess, and I really have no beef with you whatsoever except for the lovely Dominique’s photo. Other than that, I think that your blog and what you are doing is pretty awesome.

  179. Irishish says:

    Leave mamav’s comment section alone already!

    I. Didn’t. Do It. Or does it taker you all threatenin MY personal safety and life to realize that, lord knows some of you have threatened it in the past. And Sara don’t be surprised if you receive a police report soon. Screen shots of you threatening to harm me have been taken and will be taken to a law enforcement agency in Kansas if at all possible as that is the state in which you have threatened me. I will also gladly give them my IP address and see if they can prove that I am, in fact, innocent (which won’t be hard).

  180. Irishish says:

    Excuse the drunk-typing…..

  181. motown says:

    I am going to re-post dominique’s comment to bring this thread back to the important, original issue:

    “I’m the person whose picture is featured in this post. I know you’re trying to get a point across, but I have never been (and never will be) pro-ana, and I was holding the skull in the picture because it was Halloween. I emailed you asking you to remove it the day it was posted, but I have not received a response. However, I understand that you likely get a lot of emails; hopefully you will hold true to your word and remove it as I have requested.

    I used to be an administrator at an ED support site; however, I recently left over issues with it and I have, in no way, *ever* defined myself as pro-ana. I find your using me as a poster child for the pro-ana movement extremely offensive and I’m really just at a loss for words. I understand your hatred of the pro-ana movement as I share it myself; however, posting a picture like that simply objectifies me as a person. I’ve been trying to move beyond my ED and seeing a picture of myself when I was at my worst point in years ED-wise posted on your site as representing the pro-ana movement just destroys me. I have no idea how the pictures were even leaked as I posted them for two days on a private forum among people I thought I could trust.

    Please, please take the picture down. It’s a misrepresentation of my character and I find it being up extremely triggering. Your posting it simply because I’m holding a skull and underweight, without knowing any of the background of it, simply leaves me at a loss for words. EDs revolve around self-objectification and your posting a picture like that of me reduces me to nothing more than my appearance. I can’t begin to articulate how damaging this is. I’m fighting hard to define myself as something other than an ED, but your posting this reduces me to nothing but that. We live in an culture where women are routinely objectified; I’m trying to fight against this objectification– and against such things as the evils of the pro-ana movement– and my being held as an example of both this objectification and the pro-ana movement just makes this struggle all the harder. You’re painting me as the antithesis of what I actually am.

    I’m a real person struggling with an eating disorder. I’ve never been pro-ana or pro-thinspo. Seeing my picture on your website is simply humiliating.”

    ^This is what matters here.

  182. Irishish says:

    I’m not saying that that doesn’t matter, it’s just not my personal concern. Her picture was threatened… however my safety was threatened by someone who lives within a, oh, 3 hour driving radius of me. That’s getting a bit beyond “my picture, my picture!” Being threatened is not questionably illegal… it IS illegal. I’m focusing on MY primary concerns that are being addressed in this comment area…

    It’s not within my power to remove anyone’s picture from a website I did not create or own. I don’t have access to that kind of power, sorry.

  183. Jenijen says:

    I would urge all of the CB beauties to stop responding to this. The people involved with this situation will be dealt with accordingly. Our Staff are actively involved to insure our safety.

    Responding to hateful posts on this site is not helpful and only fuels the fires of those that wish to hate and judge us. I realize that this is an emotional situation, but let’s come together and be the ones to handle it in a ethical way. Yes, we feel that our skins have been ripped off of us. Yes, we have been misconstrued and misinterpreted as being of the “Pro ana” movement. We know who we are and we know what we stand for.

    Enough of this bullshit. We are feeding the haters. Ignore and walk away.

    Lots of love,
    Jen

  184. Fallenstar says:

    MamaV-
    Please take down Dominique’s photo. I know you have nothing to do with FoPA, but you can however take down the photo in this post and not misrepresent her further. She is not pro-ana and she doesn’t even like “thinspiration”.

    As you are a person who tries to help those with eating disorders (it is really appreciated) please consider taking down the link to FoPA as well, because this site is hurting so many girls already struggling with an ED who do not even support the pro-ana movement.

    Thanks.

  185. Irishish says:

    Fallenstar and JenJen…

    You neglect to realize that things things others have been saying about other people are hurtful as well and yet they will NEVER be removed…

  186. Fallenstar says:

    Do you mean things said in this comment section? I assumed that if the link to FoPA were taken down the whole post with the comments would be removed as there wouldn’t be a point anymore. Is that possible to do? I am sorry that anyone has gotten hurt throughout all of this.

  187. Elle says:

    I have had an eating disorder for 6 years. I am extremely pro-recovery. I run forums in my local area, speak at schools, have been in newspapers promoting recovery and will be on the radio speaking about lack of support services within my state (in Australia) becuase, quite simply – they are severely lacking.

    I have posted my image on facebook, myspace and other forums I belong to (regardless of whether or not they are related to eating disorders – and I have posted my image on eating disorder websites before, but never pro-ana). I would be completely and utterly humiliated if my picture ended up on “The Faces of Pro-Ana” or a similar website. None of the images on that website were captioned – none of us know which websites they were taken from, who is in the picture, how old or relevant they are now…There is so much wrong with the site that it doesn’t deserve the free publicity it is getting through MamaV.

    Mama – I have complete and utter respect for your website, and what you are trying to achieve, although sometimes I do feel that you are a little backward in the way you should do it. At times I’ve found what you post slightly triggering – things like “tips” although the context you post them in (ie. “Pro-anorexia tip is not a good idea”) my eating-disordered-self often believes this is a good idea, and I have to really, really think what I will lose by going back to my illness. I have so much to lose.

    After reading all the over-100 comments you recieved on this particular blog entry, please do not promote faces of pro-ana. When I was 14 and young and impressionable, I believe that, had I seen such an entry, or a blog such as “the faces of pro-ana”, I would have seen the thin girls and really thought that pro-ana was the way to go. Fortunately I had no internet access at the time – but such a blog would have made me seek out pro-ana. The more publicity this underground cult gets, the more it will grow. The first time I googled pro-ana I was 16 (although I never became a member) I wouldn’t have even known what it was, except I read a magazine article about it.

    I don’t know what kind of judgement to make on the whole Cerulean Butterfly/Faces of Pro-ana thing, but I don’t believe that you should be promoting such a thing, MamaV – I thought you would have more sense than that. You have a really inspiring blog and I’m dissapointed.

  188. Fallenstar says:

    I just read some of the earlier comments. I believe “concerned aunt and uncle” is a cover up. I’d like to think grown adults would go about showing the dangers of eating disorders and pro-ana in a different manner. Unless they are sick themselves and really need help. What they have said about CB is not true. But of course we cannot prove that because it is a private forum, how convenient.

    MamaV, just because posting pictures online leaves them there for anyone to take it does not make taking them without consent and making false claims about the person in them right. And why do you repost them, and essentially do the same wrong thing you are warning about just to make a point? That doesn’t really work. What if somebody did that to you with the images of yourself you post? I am beginning to think that you really go the wrong way about making most of your points, and maybe seek attention more than to really help. Because this post is not helping. I agree with the above commenter.

    This whole FoPA thing has just made me sick. And I am really tired and going to bed now. How can people be so cruel and/or stupid (i’m referring to those behind FoPA, not you). Or maybe they are just really sad and sick that we should feel sorry for them.

  189. pariah says:

    such the hell up irishish, you worthless scum of an alcoholic.

  190. kathleen says:

    ‘pariah’ there really was no need for that comment. it’s rude and hurtful. move on, like everyone else has.

  191. Elle says:

    I am really sad, reading back over these comments that this has turned into such a spiteful and vindictive forum.

    Guys, please play nice. Unkindness isn’t going to help any of us.

    As for the concerned Aunt and Uncle story…to me that sounds a great deal like the mother who pretended to be a teenage boy on myspace, who turned to victimize a young woman who eventually suicided. I would like to stay believing that adults would not behave that way.

  192. Nats says:

    WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???

    All this because of one post and now its not even the post your all talking about??

    This site used to be a place where people could find support and chat and get along and be helped, you people have come here talking shit and slagging eachother off! You have now turned this site into something just like the other site you will not longer go to.

    WTG guys, I certainly wont be coming here again after reading all this, I possibly couldnt feel any worse!!

  193. Girlally says:

    Don’t give up. When I first started coming to this page, I was a ‘weigh myself 8 times a day, no more than 500 calories a day, run 5 miles a day -everyday’ kinda gal. And now with your help, and the help of others, I can’t even remember the last time I weighed myself. And I’ve stopped hating myself because I can’t look like a size 0 airbrushed bimbo. And you know what… it feels really good. It feels really good to be able to eat a slice a pizza, and not spend the next hour crying in the bathroom trying to throw it up because “I’m so terrible!”. It feels nice to just feel normal again. So don’t think that its all in vain. You are actually reaching some of us. :)

  194. Newt says:

    Well put Nats. Don’t let these gals stop you from coming here. We can’t this blog decsend to their negative level. The fact that on their board they are reprimanded from invoking this type of drama and anomosity doesn’t make it right for them to come here and have their cat fights.

    Please gals keep it in your board. I hope one day you all can rid yourselves from such negativity and hatred. And for the poor women whose picture caused all this drama I am so sorry that all this occurred. You deserve positive support and love. Take care.

  195. anonymous says:

    Nats- I don’t know if you will read this, but I completely understand how you feel. I was up very late last night “talking” with some of these girls. They are very hurt and scared right now, but I do agree, this is not the place for cat fighting and threatening each other.

    I know that MamaV does not like erasing posts, but I think it is time for her to step in. These girls have a need to let their feelings out, but they are going about it the wrong way. I wish they could see the damage they are causing. They are not helping any one right now. MamaV, please do something.

  196. Sara says:

    In no way did I directly threaten anyone’s saftey, Irishish.

    I could’ve been talking about going postal and offing myself if I were to see you.

    I could have been talking about driving myself off a cliff… though there are no cliffs in Kansas.

    I could have been talking about driving into a lake.

    I said, “I would be imprisoned…”

    AKA incarcerated, detained, institutionalized, hospitalized…

    Which does not directly threaten you!

    Get over it. You’re scared of a 17 year old girl? Over the internet?

  197. ibiteback says:

    MamaV I really don’t get your postition on this topic. So if someone posted their photo on a recovery board then it is okay to put it on a pro-ana list because they put it on the internet. Is it okay to put an underweight person’s myspace photo on a proana list even if they are underweight from cancer? This could ruin a person’s job and you don’t care because well they put their photo on the web so it can be used anywhere. The people who created this site obviously don’t understand eating disorders. They triggered people and misrepresented people. Someone trying to recover could be seriously damaged by this and you don’t care because it is their fault for posting it on a recovery site? That makes no sense. Your post make me think you aren’t reading anything others are posting.
    You say “don’t post your photo on a public pro-ana board” but some people on FOPA did not post their photos on a pro-ana site. The site misrepresents many people. It also does not show compassion for people who cannot choose to have their disease. Meth users choose to use, we do not choose to have a mental illness, just like someone does not choose to be bi-polar.

  198. Anonymous says:

    I know I’m replying late, but Stazie said, “None of the honest people on CB would ever purposely hurt anybody else” and a lie of this magnitude just had to be corrected.

    That is complete and utter bull. On that board right now, they are comparing Irishish to Hitler. They are practically crucifying her. They have blamed her for everything that has gone wrong on that board since she left, even things she couldn’t possibly have had any involvement in. (And, for the record, she left because she had a problem with the “real girl thinspiration” on the board and with the tips being given about fasting, diet pills, etc.)
    Threats have been made against her stating publicly her location, people have called her a horrible person and worthless person and blamed her for everything. They have taken their anger at whatever happened and their anger at not knowing who did it out on her again and again and again and again.
    For goodness sake, one of the MODS of that forum sent hundreds of emails and made hundreds of posts (no, that is not an exaggeration). Some told her this mod hoped she choked on ipecac and died. Some said this mod of CB hoped she had a heart attack and died. Many, many called her (a girl trying to recover from her ED) fat, told her to put down the hamburger, called her a cow, told her to choke on all the fatty food she ate. Others insulted her mother.
    This MOD of CB has never once apologized. She gave excuses- she was under stress, she had had a bad day because her parents grounded her, etc. She NEVER apologized for what she said.
    So don’t say that no one on CB would intentionally hurt someone, because we all know that’s a lie. You’re all, in this very THREAD, intentionally hurting Irishish. You’ve called her all sorts of crude names, while openly admitting you are members of CB. You’ve told her she is scum, right here in this very thread.
    And one of your own MODS took it upon herself to detail, hundreds of times, how fat Irishish supposedly is and how, in very precise detail, she hopes Irishish dies.
    If that is your idea of “support,” I want nothing to do with it, and I don’t see how anyone can. If your idea of “supporting each other” and “never purposefully hurting anyone” involves this sort of maliciousness, then you seem to be very misinformed about what “support” truly is.

  199. mamavision says:

    Ok everyone, I see I missed a lot not logging in for 24 hours…didn’t read all the posts but read enough to comment.

    1) The vulgarities are unwelcome, however they come with the blogging territory. Since I believe in free speech, we need to let them go, so just scroll on past and focus on the posts that matter.

    2) When we get right down to it I don’t personally believe it matters of you are “pro ana” (whatever that means since we all have our own definition) or “pro recovery.

    The point is; I believe exposure is a good thing.

    I am going for awareness here, and if someone who loves you, sees your image in any context online discussing pro ana or pro recovery – it is important that you connect with someone OFFLINE for help.

    Please reread what I just wrote again.

    This is an important core goal of this site. Agree with it or not, its my point of view which has not waivered for nearly 2 years now so I believe I solid here.

    I certainly don’t oppose online support, but I will not support it as a main source of recovery. My best analogy is this –

    If you were an alcholic, it would not be in your best interest to head down to the corner bar everyday to share your struggles with your drinking buddies.”

    3) Those that state they are pro recovery, I would like to hear stories of what efforts you are making in your life to get help – besides visiting your friends online. Parents? Friends? Teachers? Boyfriends? Counselors? Anyone?

    Are your eyes open to getting professional help?

    Many will likely respond and say “no one cares, I have no one.”

    To that I will say, you need to help yourself. You need to open your eyes, take a chance, reach out to someone, somewhere, even if you have been ignored or hurt before.

    This is your struggle.

    This is your life.

    You only get one shot here so you must find it within yourself to try to find help for yourself.

    If I saw this type of dialogue on the boards I would not even be on your case.

    3) If the young woman holding the skull would like her image removed she needs to email me, not her friends, she herself needs to ask.

    Love to all,
    mamaV

  200. Echo says:

    Please, don’t lie and misrepresent us. Some of the things you have said are untrue; some have been taken out of context and give an inaccurate impression of what was said and of people’s feelings. You also have neglected to mention that there are people on CB posting in defense of Irishish, and even supporting her.

    We are in no way blaming her for ‘everything that has gone wrong since she left’. That’s a ridiculous assumption – and indeed that’s all it is, an assumption. You have nothing to base that on.

    Girls, don’t give them anything more.

  201. Echo says:

    Sorry, my comment was to anonymous not mamav.

  202. KJosie says:

    MamaV –
    “If you were an alcholic, it would not be in your best interest to head down to the corner bar everyday to share your struggles with your drinking buddies” … surely you need to take down the forum, ban comments here and take away the link to TwistedSis then, because they’re all for ED-sufferers to chat to eachother on?? Your site is no different to a pro-ana site in that sense – you even have “thinspiration” here!

    And what is the point of exposure? If your little girl had mental health problems you’d notice, if you cared. And what parents are going to look on this blog and see their daughters? Not ones that haven’t a clue about their childs problems.
    It’s pointless, and you know it.

  203. Anonymous says:

    to Echo- Stazie posted that no one on CB would intentionally hurt anyone. I did not say that everyone would- I said that stating that “no one” would was a lie and misleading. Yes, there are a few defending her. There is what, one person currently defending her there? I don’t mean people saying that what TicTac/KitKat told Irish, that she should choke on ipecac or have a heart attack and die, was wrong. I don’t mean the people saying that no one should be told those things, no matter what they did- those people are speaking against the actions taken by your mod KitKat. They are not defending Irishish. ONE person is doing that. Don’t be misleading.
    And what hasn’t Irishish been blamed for, then? You seem so convinced- prove me wrong. She has been blamed for posts on the board, for things said and done off the board and in the chatroom. So please, then, tell me how exactly it is you think she hasn’t been blamed for all these things. What hasn’t she been blamed for? MySpace pages? Comments in the chatroom? Posts on the board? Oh wait. She was blamed for all of those.
    My point was simply that Stazie claimed that the board was full of supportive people who would never hurt anyone on purpose. My point is that that claim is false. I never said every person is constantly trying to hurt others- I said many members have, here and elsewhere, very much tried to hurt people, so her claim is false.
    The replies your members have made here in and of themselves are extremely ugly, combative and vicious. Why should anyone think that it is different on your board? You’ve shown yourselves here.
    And that is why your claims of support confuse me. How can you offer support as you are viciously attacking people?

  204. Sara says:

    MamaV – Yes. I am getting help. I have a therapist, a psychiatrist, a case manager, and a few hundred friends on CB that understand what’s going on.

    And just like I am getting help, a LOT of the members on CB are doing so as well.

    Plus, dominique is the person in the picture. She HAS asked you to remove it.

  205. Brianna says:

    MamaV, scroll through the comments for one made by Dominique. that is the owner of the picture and she asked you to take it down, just read the comment.

    as for irishish, my husband’s ex girlfriend recently stated that i was more evil than both satan and hitler… i got over it. irishish needs to put her big girl panties on as well as all her little spys. and i still don’t take back what i said about you being a cunt… you earned that title.

  206. C says:

    Firstly, I’d like to apologise for using this blog in order to respond to what the authors of the FacesofProAna blog have done. I did post a comment on their blog, with no cursing and no insults but they have refused to allow it to be published. I’m not sure why as I would expect anyone with a genuine concern about the pro-ana movement to allow all points of view and explanations to be heard.

    When I first heard about their blog, despite not having any photos of myself on the forum I belong to, I felt such a sheer moment of panic I almost didn’t want to look at it. I have posted my photo on the forum that I belong to before and my reasons for doing so were merely to show my face to the people I had been supported by since I joined.

    I am in no way pro-ana and nor are the large majority of members at the forum I belong to. The reason I am a member of this particular forum is because I am ashamed of not being normal. I am ashamed of looking how I look. I am ashamed of being who I am. I am ashamed to tell anyone in my life how I really am and feel. So I tell the people that I know can give me empathy and sympathy and support and compassion. Those people are on the forum I belong to. Everyone there struggles everyday, not just with eating disorders but with self harm, depression, suicidal thoughts, abuse and life in general. It’s a source of comfort and support. It’s also a source of education, where the older members educate the younger members…..to try and make healthier choices, to eat something, to give up on pills, to explain the science behind what they have been led to believe elsewhere. I have been disordered since the age of 5, though I’ve never been diagnosed. Because of that I don’t proclaim to have a title or a label. I don’t want one, hence another reason I do not tell anyone in my life (although a few have concerns). To be labelled with an eating disorder is a death sentence in my mind so while I recognise that I engage in eating disordered behaviours and that I am not normal I still maintain that I do not have a defined eating disorder.

    Two members have had their photo’s placed on FoPA and both are absolutely distraught, as are the people that have been trying to support them through their struggles. I don’t know if these members are members anywhere else but neither have ever written anything pro-ana like on the forum I belong to.

    It saddens me to see all those photos on FoPA. Some of them are just children who don’t know any better. Some of them will have genuine and very real eating disorders of some kind. Some of them might never know their photos are being used in this way. I have genuine concerns about the authors of that blog posting pictures of young girls. They are adults and have a responsibility towards children, not to humiliate and hurt them, regardless of what these children do. Their message is not about teaching or educating. It is about hatred. And hatred only breeds further hatred.

    I am thankful that my photo is not amongst those posted. It would only heap further shame and humiliation on me, exposing the fact that I am not normal, that I am not capable of having just one day where I can think healthy thoughts about weight, self image and food. I already hate myself and what I am, more than you could ever know. I believe that many of those girls in those photos probably despise themselves too. Humiliation of this kind will only add to that and, I fear, may cause some extremely unhealthy behaviours.

    I’m sorry this has turned out to be so long and flowery. I just really felt like I needed to post something.

  207. Niika says:

    What I don’t understand is why a lot of these photos are even “pro-ana”. I’ve always understood pro-ana photos to be “thinspiration” — photos of skinny girls to inspire people to get skinny. But a lot of these photos don’t seem to be thinspiration. Maybe the people who post the other ones just want validation that they “need” to lose weight, etc etc? Or “reverse thinspo” perhaps?

  208. Niika says:

    Okay… after looking at that site a bit more, I’d like to retract my last comment. I think I get it now.

  209. mamavision says:

    Image of young woman removed per her direct request to me via email.

    -mamaV

  210. motown says:

    Hi MamaV-

    “3) If the young woman holding the skull would like her image removed she needs to email me, not her friends, she herself needs to ask.”

    She has emailed you twice, posted on this board (as dominique), and I have reposted her request above… I will do so again below.

    Thank you.

    from dominique’s post:
    “I’m the person whose picture is featured in this post. I know you’re trying to get a point across, but I have never been (and never will be) pro-ana, and I was holding the skull in the picture because it was Halloween. I emailed you asking you to remove it the day it was posted, but I have not received a response. However, I understand that you likely get a lot of emails; hopefully you will hold true to your word and remove it as I have requested.

    I used to be an administrator at an ED support site; however, I recently left over issues with it and I have, in no way, *ever* defined myself as pro-ana. I find your using me as a poster child for the pro-ana movement extremely offensive and I’m really just at a loss for words. I understand your hatred of the pro-ana movement as I share it myself; however, posting a picture like that simply objectifies me as a person. I’ve been trying to move beyond my ED and seeing a picture of myself when I was at my worst point in years ED-wise posted on your site as representing the pro-ana movement just destroys me. I have no idea how the pictures were even leaked as I posted them for two days on a private forum among people I thought I could trust.

    Please, please take the picture down. It’s a misrepresentation of my character and I find it being up extremely triggering. Your posting it simply because I’m holding a skull and underweight, without knowing any of the background of it, simply leaves me at a loss for words. EDs revolve around self-objectification and your posting a picture like that of me reduces me to nothing more than my appearance. I can’t begin to articulate how damaging this is. I’m fighting hard to define myself as something other than an ED, but your posting this reduces me to nothing but that. We live in an culture where women are routinely objectified; I’m trying to fight against this objectification– and against such things as the evils of the pro-ana movement– and my being held as an example of both this objectification and the pro-ana movement just makes this struggle all the harder. You’re painting me as the antithesis of what I actually am.

    I’m a real person struggling with an eating disorder. I’ve never been pro-ana or pro-thinspo. Seeing my picture on your website is simply humiliating.”

  211. motown says:

    Thanks, MamaV. I will email dominique to tell her about this, so she knows as soon as possible.

  212. Brianna says:

    mamaV i deeply respect you for taking down the picture when requested. thank you.

  213. missA says:

    It seems there a two anonymous’ posting here, so I decided to change my name. I am the anonymous who does not belong to CB, and is offended by the vulgar language used here. I understand it is all about “freedom of speech” but I also think that we could use a little class here. Many of the posters here are very young, and I feel they need to learn to express themselves in a more effective manner.

    MamV- I understand your rule about not wanting to delete posts, but I still think that something should be done about what is going on here. You state that it doesn’t matter if the girls on FoPA are pro-ana or pro-recovery, but I think you are wrong. I do not know any of these girls, but as someone who struggles with ED, and fights it every waking moment, I believe that having my picture posted on a pro-ana site would be very detrimental to whatever stage of recovery I am in.

    You only want to listen if these girls are willing to get help somewhere other than on-line. Do you realize that EDs are based on secrets, lies, and shame. Do understand how hard it is to ask for help? Yes, we do need help, and I hope that every person suffering from an ED will ask for help. I refuse to judge them for not being ready to ask yet. If their parents see their picture, they could be forced into treatment. Forced treatment is not the answer. It only makes you fight harder to keep your ED. You have to be ready.

    Anonymous- You stated that the Mod of CB had a bad day and got grounded from her parents. Am I the only one seeing a problem here? I really don’t believe any one who can still get grounded from her parents should be moderating a site like CB. You need an adult who can act with the maturity that a child does not have.

    C- Thank you for your truely heart-felt post. I am sorry that your friends are going through such a rough time.

    Brianna- You say Irishish need to put on her big girl panties, then you proceed to call her a vulgar name. What did you accomplish?

    Niika- I don’t know any of this girls, but just because someone is not emaciated does not mean they do not have an eating disorder. These are personal photos of girls. Girls who are suffering and did not ask to be judged.

    Sorry this is so long, but this post just really upsets me.

  214. Echo says:

    Anonymous – please don’t bully me into revealing the happenings of a private forum on here. Seeing as you are obviously on there, I’m happy to provide you with proof. Feel free to PM me.

    Unless of course you wish to remain anonymous.

  215. missA says:

    Okay, so a lot happened while I was typing my post.

    First of all, MamaV, I think you made a wise decision in taking down Dominique’s picture.

    Niika- I just read your retraction, so you can disregard my post if you like.

  216. Anonymous says:

    Echo- that is a rather clever ATTEMPT to turn the conversation from the true point- that you have NO proof that she has done anything of these things you blame her for, or that you haven’t indeed blamed her for all the things that have happened in the past 8 months. You’re trying to change the subject because you CAN’T prove what you say you can.
    What makes you even think that I’m a member of your forum and capable of pming you? As I said before, I want nothing of the type of “support” you all cruelly offer. It’s rather narcissistic of you to assume I want or need the backstabbing and maliciousness name calling your members engage in.
    As for what MissA said- you’re right. A child does not have the maturity level to moderate a forum like that. You see the results in my post of what happens when you put someone like that in a position of authority. Unfortunately, she’s far from the only one in that position.

  217. Niika says:

    I’d just like to say, for the record, that I’m not so dumb that I think people have to be thin to have an eating disorder. I was really just talking about thinspiration and whatnot. But, again, I didn’t realize what the point of the site “really” was, so my comment was irrelevant anyway.

  218. missA says:

    Niika- I was by know means trying to call you dumb. Some people are just ignorant about eating disorders, and believe a person has to be thin to be eating disorders. Wait, take a breath, I am not trying to call you ignorant either, I’m just saying those that do not suffer do not understand. After I posted my original post, I went to your blog, so I do know you understand about EDs.

    I think I misunderstood your original post. I thought you were just being mean by stating that maybe some were just looking for validation that they need to lose weight. I guess that I am just getting a little bit defensive, because this post is upsetting so many. So many posters are just trying to be mean to each other. I am sorry I misunderstood you, and if I offended you I am truely sorry. I am not a writer, so sometimes what I mean to say does not come out how I want to say it.

  219. Amy says:

    “If you were an alcholic, it would not be in your best interest to head down to the corner bar everyday to share your struggles with your drinking buddies.”

    AA is alcoholics helping alcoholics, and is one of the most effective programs for addiction recovery.

    “Those that state they are pro recovery, I would like to hear stories of what efforts you are making in your life to get help – besides visiting your friends online. Parents? Friends? Teachers? Boyfriends? Counselors? Anyone?”

    I displayed ED behaviors from the age of eight. I was first diagnosed with anorexia when I was 13, then relapsed twice, the first time having to be hospitalized. I have had periods of being diagnosed with bulimia, and I am currently diagnosed as ED-NOS (purge almost daily but restrict rather than binge, so essentially don’t eat enought to be bulimic and am not at a low enough weight to be anorexic – purge type). I have been in various levels of treatment since I was 13, and I am 20 now. I currently see a therapist, a doctor, a psychiatrist, and a nutritionist on an outpatient basis. My entire family knows about my ED, and I am “out” about it to most people I know. If someone asks me if I have an eating disorder, I don’t try to be sneaky about it. I say “yes.”

    However, I have found that nothing helps me more than the support and understanding of other sufferers. In the hospital, this meant group therapy. Now, it means an online ED forum. A huge part of having an ED is feeling alone and misunderstood, and knowing that there are others who share your struggles really can make an enormous difference. I am an adult living alone, but this forum gives me a group of friends to check in with every day about anything – not just EDs – and I feel that I have people on this forum who truly care about and understand me.

    Thank you for removing the photograph.

    -Amy

  220. missA says:

    One more thing, that is why, when I read your retraction, I said you could disregard my post. That is when I realized the misunderstanding was mine. Sorry.

  221. Empty says:

    Thank you MamaV for taking down Dominique’s photo.

    I once again apologize for jacking your thread, and if you look around in the more recent posts, I said something else to you too =)

    I’m still really upset about what FoPA has done, but now that I have had some time to become more objective about it (and am no longer blinded by bloodthirsty rage/overwhelming sadness) I realize that I was in the wrong for bringing my end of the argument to your blog. I felt like I had nowhere else to post about all this, as on CB all posts about FoPA are being immediately removed.

    Irishish – I wish you could have read the post I made after your friend’s rant on CB. I said, in essence, that I really don’t know who you are and that aside from my admittedly rude comment about not caring if you read my words, I had never done anything to you. I said that I disliked the little I had seen of you, and that hatred only breeds hatred. I have no “beef” with you either, really, and I hope you realize (because you yourself have done it here) that I only freaked out because I was being freaked out -at-. Does that make sense?

    Once again thank you MamaV for being who you are, and doing what you do. No hard feelings. Maybe when CB becomes public again (though I doubt that will happen for a long, looooong time) I invite you to come inside and browse around.

  222. Elle says:

    “Those that state they are pro recovery, I would like to hear stories of what efforts you are making in your life to get help – besides visiting your friends online. Parents? Friends? Teachers? Boyfriends? Counselors? Anyone?”

    I am 18, and have had bulimia for 6 years. After running away from home for a year when my parents found out about my eating disorder, I now have the support that I need. I have real time friends who know about my illness, their parents, my parents, some old teachers (who I am still in contact with), a brilliant psychologist, a counsellor, a case manager, a doctor, and a dietician.

    I am also a 100% advocate for change and have the support of the girls that I work with, in the small organization we have started to combat the ignorance surrounding eating disorders.

  223. Lauren says:

    Thankyou MamaV for taking down the photo of dominque. I have huge respect for you for that!

    I would like to apologise for using this as a forum of discussion on this topic (I have thrown no insults, nor threatened anyone, and I have discussed this in an adult like manner) but seeing as this was the only public forum I had to defend myself and those I care about I feel I had no other choice…

    MamaV, Many of us do have therapists, physcologists, GP’s and treatment teams working with us. I personally have a GP, I am on anti depressants, and I have a psychologist whom I have to see on a weekly basis.. I use CB for the extra support I need day to day, when I am not in contact with these health professionals.

    I would just like to say one last thing:
    Whilst this thread has facilitated discussion, raised insulting language and caused other people to “attack” each other, what you cannot see is the people who are deeply hurting. Those who have been triggered to engage in self destructive behaviours just because someone thought it would be a good idea to link our faces to the pro ana movement. Its not just showing our family and friends we need to worry about, its our school mates, our employers, and the people who make important decisions within the community. This has the potential to ruin our lives long into the future, all because we needed a little support to help us keep fighting just one more day.

  224. Stacie says:

    Irishishisshhisishsishshishhshhhh *beth*

    “Excuse the drunk-typing…..”

    I thought so, maybe you should stop drinking it might help with your anger.

    Walk away “uglyduckling”

    Sorry I had to spill that, you really need to stay off CB… I am tired of lying for you.

    ~*Hugs*~
    A good friend of yours..

  225. Anonymous says:

    Empty- yes, since Irishish couldn’t see what you posted about her on CB, let’s review it here, shall we.

    “To be perfectly honest, I don’t even know who she *really* is. I’ve had to go on hiatus from CB for a year on TWO separate occasions now due to mental health issues and not being able to afford an internet connection.

    What I -have- seen of her shows that she likes to attack people for no reason, shows that she brings up events of MY life with which to attack me, and for that I have to say that I can’t stand her.

    I don’t claim to know anything else about her, but my judgement reflects what I have experienced. I also don’t think its right for you to go on insisting that she is this wonderful innocent little lamb with no intentions of upsetting anyone…when she obviously seems to like to stir up the pot, so to speak.

    I think that if you are going to “call us out” on being cruel, you should also ask your friend to examine herself.

    Hatred only breeds hatred. And I’m all for love.

    No one would be upset with her, if she hadn’t DONE something to warrant it.

    She isn’t really helping her case by being nasty to us, is she?”

    You aren’t really helping YOUR case by being nasty to her, are you? You need to examine YOUR self. The whole point of that post was that she had not done ANYTHING to warrant this abuse or the accusations you throw at her. You have no proof of anything she’s done, only your empty accusations and curses at her.

    Stacie (or should I say Stazie)- ummm what? You’re just plain laughable. What makes you think she’s on CB at all? Believe me- she knows who you are and you are FAR from a good friend. So keep on making false accusations that you can’t prove and no one believes. You and Empty should get together. Between the two of you, there might be some small shred of truth. Maybe.

  226. Alia says:

    I will not stay silent on this, I’ve kept my mouth shut the entire time only to find myself banned and my friend continusly attacked, harrassed and belittled.

    You talk about your community, you mean your facist community who not only censors but ban’s people who don’t think as you think.

    You are a bunch of two-faced individuals CB and I am sorry to have to post this here but since you have taken away my voice to protest, to defend myself and to defend others on an even playing field like in your community I will say it here instead.

    You are useless individuals no one would care if you died tomorrow, if you truly believe the media will care you are mistaken and if you really believe you can take anyone to court you are more ignorant that a racist who screams White Power from the street corner.

  227. Anonymous says:

    Oh and Stazie (I still don’t understand why you think no one will recognize you as Stacie here)- if you’re suuuuuuch good friends with Irishish, why’d you just post what you did about her in the 911 section?

  228. Stacie says:

    Anonymous
    Learn how to spell, its Stacie with a c you know like Cunt as in what you smell like.

    and since you have that information stop being a chicken shit and state how you have it!

    Because you are scared right, because you are the one. Stop the copy/paste shit, its getting old.

  229. Stacie says:

    “Oh and Stazie (I still don’t understand why you think no one will recognize you as Stacie here)- if you’re suuuuuuch good friends with Irishish, why’d you just post what you did about her in the 911 section?”

    No idea what the you are talking about troll. This is my birthname not a screen name.. I suppose you were born Anonymous?

  230. Anonymous says:

    No, actually, it’s Stazie, with a “z.” At least, when your “chicken shit” self posts things about people where you think they can’t read them.

    Here, where you try to act as though you’re friends with someone (the same someone you’re posting insulting things about on another board), you post it with a “C.”

    As for your rude and crude remarks and replies- honestly, by this point, does anyone expect any other kind of reply from any member of cerulean butterfly? Your members have shown again and again that you struggle to form actual posts, and would rather just curse like angry little children.

  231. Anonymous says:

    Oh and StaZie, what kind of example do you think this sets for your baby-to-be in 4 months?

  232. pariah says:

    anonymous, does your name just so happen to be jo?

  233. Stacie says:

    My name is spelled with a C, I can see how your reasoning works, as long as you believe it then its true right?

    Wrong and stop dancing around the real question. Why do you copy and paste info and post as Anonymous?

    If you cant answer that then stop talking.

  234. Stacie says:

    “Oh and StaZie, what kind of example do you think this sets for your baby-to-be in 4 months?”

    I am 18 why would I be having a baby? Are a pedophile too? No wonder you are looking at these pictures you are sick!

  235. pariah says:

    stacie i feel like you know who anonymous is, do you?

  236. Anonymous says:

    Stazie- then why’d you acknowledge making a post under the name “Stazie” where you thought no one would see it?
    I’m copying and pasting information because if you’re going to be too-faced and try to impersonate someone you’re not, it should be made public. That’s not the “real question.” The real question is why you tried to act on here like you were good friends with Irishish (a direct claim) and then posted demeaning things about here where she can’t see. THAT is the real issue.
    And the fact that you have no answer for that (other than pointless insults, curse words, and equally tempertantrumish statements) speaks volumes.
    Pariah- I can neither confirm nor deny that. It defeats the purpose of posting anonymously.

  237. Stacie says:

    “The real question is why you tried to act on here like you were good friends with Irishish (a direct claim) and then posted demeaning things about here where she can’t see.”

    She can see what I am writing on here! WTF are you going on about! This is the only place I have written about her .

    “Pariah- I can neither confirm nor deny that. It defeats the purpose of posting anonymously.”

    Really, what is the purpose of it anyways, so that you can call me a to-face and act the same?

    How nice do you pretend to be really?

  238. Just Pointing Out Something says:

    I’m just going to drop this out…

    Stazies real name isn’t Stacie.

    Also, anyone can be anyone at this time so don’t jump to conclusions. Just…think before you post.

  239. Stacie says:

    Just Pointing Out Something:

    Exactly what I have been trying to say, how hard is to understand how to spell a persons name?

  240. Lauren says:

    There appears to be come confusion.
    There is a Stacie and a Stazie Posted here. Stazie is just a nickname where as a believe Stacie is using her real name..
    Despite all this, why don’t we all just stop personally attacking each other. Its pointless and just hurtful. We are all adults and we can discuss this in an adult like manner.
    We just want to get to the bottom of this, move on and live our lives.
    We just want the blaming and anger to stop. Its just hurting people. =(

  241. Anonymous #1000 says:

    I dislike CB as well (although I do still have friends there) and I also dislike some moderators and I know of all of the shit that goes on there. I had a huge number of problems and I will not go into detail and I am aware of the problems others have had.

    I am not accusing ANYONE of creating that blog, first of all. I do not think it is right of anyone to post their pictures up though. There are other ways of dealing with these matters. You can freely create your website against CB and make posts and blogs against CB but getting these members into is taking it to a whole other realm. I don’t think anyone deserves to have their pictures up there, whether I greatly dislike them or not. NONE of them gave the creator permission to use their photos.

    I have more to say…as I always have something to say but oddly enough, I am going to end this post here.

  242. brianna says:

    anonymous is trying to frame my wonderful loving stazie. just get it over with anonymous and tell us who you are. i know you are a staff member after all you are quoting things from archived threads if im not mistaken.

  243. Alia says:

    But it isn’t acting like adults when a person is banned yes me for simply voicing an opinion. I had nothing to do with the creation of that website, etc.

    In honesty whomever did it has to have a certain amount of hate and this is something I do not have the capacity for…

  244. missA says:

    Lauren- Although I agree with you whole-heartedly, I think the problem is we are not all adults (although I am). Some are very young girls, that is why their behaviour is immature. They do not know how to express themselves in a mature manner, and in turn, are only lashing out and hurting each other.

  245. Anonymous says:

    “That’s what’s really freaking me out – it seems like some of those pictures were up for only a few days, quite a while ago, while others (like sassycat’s) were posted within the past 2 or 3 days. whoever did this obviously has had consistent access to our site. and still might. which means they might have access to our other info (stuff about SI, abuse, rape, drug use, family and relationship problems, etc.).

    This is terrifying. “

  246. Anonymous says:

    “I KNOWWWW! I feel like the biggest ass-monkey on the face of the planet for that, lol and if I could delete that post I would.”

  247. brianna says:

    i’m an adult to, and i will admit that i acted immature, but thats what happens when i am attacked… i get defensive… oh well. i meant everything i said, but i agree i could have been more mature

  248. another anon says:

    Alia, when were you banned and why?

  249. Anonymous says:

    And this one’s for you, Brianna- “coming from a former self proclaimed sociopath, i know exactly what they would gain from this. i’m not proud of it, but i used to pull shit like this all the fucking time (not on CB).” sound familiar?

  250. missA says:

    Brianna- I can understand you getting defensive, as I’m sure I would if I were in the same situation. But fighting is not getting anyone anywhere. Trying to get people to admit to who they are is never going to happen, and I think at this point, it doesn’t matter. No one is going to admit that they posted the pictures on FoPA. Hopefully that person will see the hurt they have caused and take the pictures down. If that doesn’t happen, the only thing you can do is learn from this and try to move on.

  251. Stacie says:

    Anonymous

    Your creepy dude.

  252. brianna says:

    yep that does, i posted that. i’m not ashamed. like i said earlier i have nothing to hide

  253. The Divine says:

    Anonymous- I don’t understand why you are posting these things. It is low and immature. You are getting to the point where you are no better than the FOPA creator.

    Childish. This whole ting is a shame.

  254. Krista (aka Stazie) says:

    Yes, my name is Krista, not Stacie. Whoever it is that is personally attacking me has absolutely no reason to. If you want, PM me and I will try my best so you can see that I am not whoever you think I am.
    I am extremely upset by this and I am devastated that the baby that I am carrying, which my fiance and I have longed for for so long and never thought we would be able to have, has been bought into this public slinging match.
    This has all got to stop. Please stop accusing people of things they would never do. I have only ever tried my best and if it wernt for my baby, those hurtfull and false comments probably would have pushed me over the edge. I have never done anything but try and help people and I cop this in return.
    Please, please stop all this hating. All it is doing it hurting innocent people.

  255. brianna says:

    so which member of staff are you? i know its not amberly or jenijen… i doubt its sami or drew. not torri either…. come on help me narrow it down anonymous, i’ll find you.

  256. Anonymous says:

    “They have a picture of me – not my personal number.

    Everyone can take a picture of me everyday and abuse it. I can’t stay inside because something bad might happen.”

  257. Anonymous says:

    Stazie- you posted ugly stuff about someone behind the person’s back. Worst kid of ugly there is. Kind of hypocrtical for you to sit there and now and talk about ugly posts. “Please stop accusing people of things they would never do.” But I’m accusing you of things you DID do. We all know it. You did it behind someone’s back- that makes it worse, not better.
    You’re setting a horrible example for ANY child. The fact that you are one of two people who will be solely responsible for caring for a baby is deeply disturbing.

  258. Fallenstar says:

    Why is it that the CB members who have posted on here without insulting anyone or cursing don’t get noticed, but only the people who are freaking out do? Many of you have implied that “you all” (from CB) are cruel and do hurtful things, and make it seem like that goes on in CB all the time. But it seems that this whole thing started because of some resentful ex members, who have had quarrels in the past with still current CB members, and have brought the entire CB community into this, in part believing that CB itself is a bad place b/c of the pain they went through while there- that is really unfortunate. But that’s what it is though, it is about some revenge thing on a group of people. But in generalizing about CB as a whole, you are hurting even the completely innocent people of the forum. So why not just discuss this only with the people you have a problem with in particular? And if you don’t agree with what CB is about anyway, then why not stay out of it and make a site speaking your believes where you don’t attack CB or any other groups personally and without hurting a bunch of girls? This leads me to believe you are either immature or heartless, or just need help.

    “You are useless individuals no one would care if you died tomorrow” That is rather harsh and hurtful. Don’t fight fire back with fire.

    Not everyone on CB even looks at or likes “real girl thinspo”. Dangerous “tips and tricks” are discouraged, I think the person to post them may even get banned. If somebody does not feel CB is the place for them anymore, they usually decide to leave on their own. Which is the only thing you can really do and the best thing to do. People say goodbye and other members wish them well. I’ve never been on an online forum where there were kinder and more supportive people. I don’t know everyone there, there probably are some people who behave in unkind ways, but I can say that from what I’ve seen these last couple of years most members are not malicious and would not intentionally hurt anyone. Everyone’s human, like anywhere else there is bound to be drama, bickering, people saying things they later wish they hadn’t..at times. It happens. But that is not what cerulean butterfly IS. About IrishIsh, most people on CB probably don’t even know who she is and have nothing to do with whatever went on there. I have no idea what happened in regards to that and I won’t judge anybody; especially not people I don’t know. Also, many if not most CB members are getting professional help. Seeing doctors and counselors is encouraged there! CB does not mean to be the only source of support for anyone, I think the creator, mods, and most members know this would not be enough to help someone, but it has certainly made people feel a lot better and not feel so alone. It has kept many from self injuring even from attempting suicide or trying again. Can’t we just invite MamaV over so she can see for herself, if she wants? Some people do not even know what CB is like and have never been there, so please do not speak of what you don’t know.

    For the record, I commented on “concerned aunt and uncle’s” site. The comment was constructive, without insults or curse words and it was STILL not posted. If they were really sincere in wanting to help they wouldn’t have anything to hide.

    This has got to stop. Everyone just ignore the bullies.

  259. Anonymous says:

    “I tried hacking the IP from the site but it’s got a shitload of protection on it. I thought someone else might have a more legal way of doing it, but evidently not”

    They tried that to Faces of Pro Ana and your blog, MamaV. Thought you should know.

  260. brianna says:

    ok anonymous we get the point, you can read the archived threads, you are a member of staff… come on admit who you are.

  261. The Divine says:

    Anonymous said, “You did it behind someone’s back- that makes it worse, not better.”

    I say-> You are posting things and won’t show your true face. You are being just as much of a coward as you claim Stazie to be.

  262. Alia says:

    another anon
    March 30, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    Alia, when were you banned and why?

    I was suspended today, no reply as to why I was in an email or anything just suspended.

  263. Anonymous says:

    “and i’m still worried they’ll post more of the things we said (they quoted me from a thinspo request thread)… what if they say something about one of us being raped or sexually abused? or having a drug problem? i don’t think they’re above that, and we’ve shared all that information here.”

  264. Nicaragua says:

    “Those that state they are pro recovery, I would like to hear stories of what efforts you are making in your life to get help – besides visiting your friends online. Parents? Friends? Teachers? Boyfriends? Counselors? Anyone?”

    My parents pushed me into seeing a psychologist. So I went through the long rigmarole of seeing a doctor several times in order to get a referral, so I could get a medicare rebate on the psychologist. When I finally did get through to her I saw her twice. In these two times, she told me not only that “nothing you ever do will make your mother proud of you” but also to lose weight, and if I “really want to lose weight, here’s how to do it…”.

    after this I refused to ever see her again and decided I would never recover. I became more depressed than ever.

    It was the girls on CB, and only those girls, who convinced me to not give up and see another therapist.

    My friends in the real world just said “oh, that’s so stupid, what a bitch” etc. Which is, I suppose, still true and somewhat comforting, but if it wasn’t for the girls on CB I think I would have just let myself get sicker and sicker and sicker.

    So yes, I have a doctor… who does not know what EDNOS is. On my medical record it says “binges and diets”.
    I had a psychologist, whom I disagreed with on all her wacky theories.
    I have parents who know about my ‘food issues’.
    I have friends at school who I love, who will convince me into eating healthy food (a concept that I swing between believing and hating) and who are always there for me… however these beautiful girls are not eating disordered and as such I can never expect them to understand the vast majority of what I go through.
    So I have the girls on CB, who are always there for me, who ALWAYS push me down the healthy path, who without them I have no idea what I would be doing. I definitely wouldn’t have eaten the pear I just did, I know that at least.

  265. another anon says:

    Oh. I honestly cannot say I have heard anything. I am sorry this happened without any explanation. Maybe you should email to ask why?

  266. Irishish says:

    That’s great Brianna. It’s okay for you to get defensive, but no one else can? I can’t? I’m just supposed to be happy with wrongful accusations? I’m supposed to la down and take it? I have been downright kind considering what you guys are continuing to do with my friends. MY friends could be some of the people on CB that you look up to and respect and yet you said that anyone who is a friend of mine should be banned. You can not honestly expect to get any type of respect for that.

    Did I make a fake account? Yes i did. Want to know why? So I’d know what you were all saying about me. Was it more than one? Sure was. You all caught me the first time, that was around the time I was blamed a for CB myspace page, oh and for hacking a photobucket account. Um, ask anyone who knows me how much time I devote to myspace. It’s very little, no more than an hour or so every 2 weeks. So I spent the time that I catch up with friends to make a whole group and invite all of you to it… yeah, excuse me while I laugh.

    Sorry to disappoint you but I just don’t have the time or energy for that. I have better things to do. I have school, I volunteer, I engage in special activities with my god daughter, and I’m in fucking recovery. I really don’t have the time to waste just plotting ways to piss off CB. I don’t have the energy to be your little scapegoat. I AM SICK OF IT. Don’t you understand… you are “the self proclaimed sociopath” not me, I actually do care about other people. (Oh, and by the way sociopath’s don’t care about ANYONE, not even their closest friends). How do people trust you when you say you lie for fun? Oh, but you don’t do it on CB because sociopath’s tendencies can be turned on and off, right? You wouldn’t lie on CB though… right? Sure, why do I have trouble believing that one…

    You can sit there on your high horse all you want. You can name my name, you can say shit about me that isn’t true, you can blame me for things I don’t even like, but every single last one of you have crossed the line when you started attacking my friends. You crossed the line when you blamed me for feeling “almost suicidal”… very few of you have the understanding of suicide that I do, and NOBODY should lightly say anything remotely related to it. You crossed the line when you mentioned my mother. You crossed the line when you wished that I were dead, when you called me fat, and when one of you went out of their way on the AnaLurve joke forum and said things that were so bad I still have not been told the worst of it. And you refuse to apologize. You say to each other “we are all human beings” “we all need support” and “everyone makes mistakes”. Am I not human? Do I somehow not make mistakes? Do I not need a shoulder to cry on at times?

    I have made nothing up. I have been honest. You can make of that what you will. Even people who don’t like me know that I speak the truth and that I come clean when I do things.
    1-Analurvesme (the fake pro-ana site)
    2-Deleting myself after going off about the pro-ana aspects of CB.
    3-Came back under the guise of Crystal, an anorexic. Later came back as myself. Multiple accounts were found and I was banned.
    4-Heard about several rumors and made the account rubyjulie… allowed to get deleted for inactivity.
    5-someone or some people make a site called faces of pro-ana and I find it via mamv’s blog. After I post in the commentary here I find that I am blamed.

    The following links contain screenshots in which a mod on CB is blindly bashing me for supposedly creating a fake myspace group. I did not create it and I did not help to create it. The screenshts are of the security logs of the analurve proboards forum as they were deleted from the forum.

    1: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25gckgo&s=3
    2: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vy6ywm&s=3

  267. Anonymous says:

    Why has my account been suspended explain exactly what I did and when I did, as I got no email only a messages saying my account has been suspended.

    Your community if it so chooses to keep me suspended without regard nor explaination is a community of censorship, since you claim so much about protection of the butterflies, tell me then where is my protection? Where is my explaination and most of all why since I went against the norm am I being treat in manner thus?

    Regards,

    Alia

  268. another anon says:

    I really hope you get a reply, alia. I don’t agree with banning someone without explanation.

  269. Anonymous says:

    “I agree with the fact that most of the pictures posted do not look emaciated, most are quite fat to be frank”

  270. Irishish says:

    That’s great Brianna. It’s okay for you to get defensive, but no one else can? I can’t? I’m just supposed to be happy with wrongful accusations? I’m supposed to la down and take it? I have been downright kind considering what you guys are continuing to do with my friends. MY friends could be some of the people on CB that you look up to and respect and yet you said that anyone who is a friend of mine should be banned. You can not honestly expect to get any type of respect for that.

    Did I make a fake account? Yes i did. Want to know why? So I’d know what you were all saying about me. Was it more than one? Sure was. You all caught me the first time, that was around the time I was blamed a for CB myspace page, oh and for hacking a photobucket account. Um, ask anyone who knows me how much time I devote to myspace. It’s very little, no more than an hour or so every 2 weeks. So I spent the time that I catch up with friends to make a whole group and invite all of you to it… yeah, excuse me while I laugh.

    Sorry to disappoint you but I just don’t have the time or energy for that. I have better things to do. I have school, I volunteer, I engage in special activities with my god daughter, and I’m in fucking recovery. I really don’t have the time to waste just plotting ways to piss off CB. I don’t have the energy to be your little scapegoat. I AM SICK OF IT. Don’t you understand… you are “the self proclaimed sociopath” not me, I actually do care about other people. (Oh, and by the way sociopath’s don’t care about ANYONE, not even their closest friends). How do people trust you when you say you lie for fun? Oh, but you don’t do it on CB because sociopath’s tendencies can be turned on and off, right? You wouldn’t lie on CB though… right? Sure, why do I have trouble believing that one…

    You can sit there on your high horse all you want. You can name my name, you can say shit about me that isn’t true, you can blame me for things I don’t even like, but every single last one of you have crossed the line when you started attacking my friends. You crossed the line when you blamed me for feeling “almost suicidal”… very few of you have the understanding of suicide that I do, and NOBODY should lightly say anything remotely related to it. You crossed the line when you mentioned my mother. You crossed the line when you wished that I were dead, when you called me fat, and when one of you went out of their way on the AnaLurve joke forum and said things that were so bad I still have not been told the worst of it. And you refuse to apologize. You say to each other “we are all human beings” “we all need support” and “everyone makes mistakes”. Am I not human? Do I somehow not make mistakes? Do I not need a shoulder to cry on at times?

    I have made nothing up. I have been honest. You can make of that what you will. Even people who don’t like me know that I speak the truth and that I come clean when I do things.
    1-Analurvesme (the fake pro-ana site)
    2-Deleting myself after going off about the pro-ana aspects of CB.
    3-Came back under the guise of Crystal, an anorexic. Later came back as myself. Multiple accounts were found and I was banned.
    4-Heard about several rumors and made the account rubyjulie… allowed to get deleted for inactivity.
    5-someone or some people make a site called faces of pro-ana and I find it via mamv’s blog. After I post in the commentary here I find that I am blamed.

    The following links contain screenshots in which a mod on CB is blindly bashing me for supposedly creating a fake myspace group. I did not create it and I did not help to create it. The screenshts are of the security logs of the analurve proboards forum as they were deleted from the forum.

    tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25gckgo&s=3
    tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vy6ywm&s=3

  271. Responding says:

    Brianna- did you ever consider that they would have saved the thread if they had saved the photos? Staff archive controversial threads all the time, if they’re a member they would know that.

    The LAST thing we need to do is make unfounded accusations- hence why threads accusing Irishish have been deleted.

  272. Stacie says:

    Anonymous

    “Kind of hypocrtical for you to sit there and now and talk about ugly posts.”

    Wrong, ugly people. You have to be the sickest person ever!

    What I find disturbing is your fixation on a pregnant woman!

  273. brianna says:

    alia, you know why you were suspended… cause you are a spy, thats why.

  274. brianna says:

    get it right beth, “former” self proclaimed sociopath. and go ahead and get defensive, did i ever say you couldn’t?

  275. Irishish says:

    She wasn’t spying you silly girl. She was telling me what you were saying about me… funny how so many of the staff have known that for oh i dunno… a year? And now it’s a big deal? That’s silly.

  276. Anonymous says:

    What I find disturbing is that you’re allowed to procreate and be put in charge of the wellbeing of a child.

  277. brianna says:

    responding – considering that the thread she is quoting was around 40 pages long, i don’t think she saved it.

  278. Alia says:

    Brianna,

    Hasn’t the noose gotten tight enough aroud your neck yet or did you forget to jump off the chair last time you tried to hang yourself? Hopefully if he is real your b/f will break up with you when he comes home from Iraq but wait you won’t care. You are a socoipath now…

  279. brianna says:

    so if staff knows beth, then why is anonymous too afraid to reveal her identity? i’m sure staff knows since anon. is staff.

  280. Anonymous says:

    Being a sociopath isn’t something you outgrow or “recover” from. It’s a fundamental flaw in your personality. It’s something that will never go away.
    It will, however, cause you to lie over and over and over again. Because you do not care about anyone and I mean anyone but yourself, you will not care about those lies- only about the image you present of yourself.
    It will lead you to lie about no longer being a sociopath to earn the trust of others so you can get attention. Do I really need to remind you of the posts you’ve made?

  281. brianna says:

    alia, he’s my husband get it right.

  282. Irishish says:

    No Brianna, you just berate me and treat me as though I shouldn’t. And so did your sociopath tendencies just disappear? Or were you self diagnosing again?

  283. Empty says:

    Anonymous – it’s pretty convenient that you didn’t post the context in which I posted that message on CB, isn’t it?

    And I don’t think that message was offensive in the least.

  284. brianna says:

    go ahead say i self dianose, you arent my fucking doctor what do i care? and yea, the sociopath was a self-diagnostic claim, remember when i said self proclaimed?

  285. Anonymous says:

    oh well i dont think we can do anything about it, but we need to focus on finding irishish’s stupid fucking minions and delete their fucking asses, they are the real threat at this point.

    ^directly from the former sociopath…

  286. The Divine says:

    Irishish, Beth, whoever you are. Minus everything about Brianna because that is between you two…

    I agree with everything you have stated. Which is why I had deleted my account from CB.

  287. Anonymous says:

    Exactly. You don’t care.
    You don’t care about anyone else, except to see how you can manipulate them. That’s what a sociopath is, after all.
    so let’s see. You either lied about the way you used to be or you’re lying now about no longer being that way. (or you just didn’t do your research well at all first.)

    Either way… why should ANYONE there believe a word you have to say now?

  288. Fallenstar says:

    IrishIsh- I don’t know you, but I in no way exclude you of being human and being able to make mistakes like anyone else, and I’m sure many people even on CB agree with that. I’ll just stay out of this because I have no idea what happened.

    Alia- I hope you get an explanation on why you were suspended too. I agree anyone suspended/banned deserves an explanation.

  289. Krista (aka Stazie) says:

    Tell me now what I did!
    Because I can’t think of anywhere where I have backstabbed anybody. I didn’t want to post back on here but there is no way I deserve to be ridiculed by someone who is confused about who is who and there is no way you have the right to imply that I am going to be a bad mother because you think I am somebody that I am not.

  290. brianna says:

    and btw irishish, i was never on your analurve site. and i never mentioned anything about your mother

  291. Irishish says:

    Awwww you really shouldn’t self-diagnose. See, I’m not trying to be your doctor. I’m not majoring in school to be your Dr. Just make sure you take really good care of yourself. *HUGS*

  292. Stacie says:

    Anonymous

    “What I find disturbing is that you’re allowed to procreate and be put in charge of the wellbeing of a child.”

    Wrong again nut hugger. Just because you spread your cheap legs doesnt mean everyone else has too.

  293. another anonymous says:

    seems 2 me that you all need to shut up already. seriously. youre clogging up MamaVs blog with ur ridiculous teenage drama-queen nonsense

  294. Irishish says:

    I never said you said anything about my mother. I said a mod on there did. hehehe sorry bout the confusion girl, but don’t worry, I forgive you!

  295. another anon says:

    well said another anonymous

  296. Anonymous says:

    Krista- check the 911 thread. About the girl who is suicidal because she threatened someone here with physical harm and that person rightly considered going to the police, and the bully who threatened her now is all upset. Check your comments there.

    And meanwhile we’ll all cross our fingers that social services takes your child away before it has a chance to learn your backstabbing ways.

  297. Irishish says:

    Guys, can’t we all just hug? 😀

  298. Anonymous says:

    Stacie- your childish and insulting post has no point whatsoever as she herself said she is pregnant…. other than making you look extremely ignorant.

  299. brianna says:

    alright irishish, sorry for miss-reading your post.

  300. another anon says:

    she didn’t say anything at all offensive in the 911 thread

  301. Anonymous says:

    Today at 17:18, [X]Starving For Perfection[X] wrote: I don’t mean to hurt anyone.

    I’ve had a shit day.
    Most of you probably have.
    I have a shit day everyday.
    Everyday i wish i wasn’t here. I wish i didn’t have to eat to stay on this shithole of a planet.

    I really haven’t meant to hurt anyone :(:(:(:(

    from unimportantloss:

    Nobody here really knows me and it’s over the internet, nobody knows how i meant to say what i’ve said, but people who know me understand my.. hmm, phobia? Of certain things. I’m sorry i called people fat. I can look at a skeleton and see fat. Trust me, i wish i couldn’t.

    I’m so sorry, i don’t know what to say

    we’ve all had shit day, i’ve had a shit couple of weeks. but you need to think before you type and realize that your words effect others. think about it, what if i said you were fat? how would you feel?

    you also contradict yourself. in your first post you say,”you don’t need to be emactiated to have an eating disorder”. and then you say,”i’ve said somewhere before about people saying they’re ‘eating disordered’ and posting pictures which are clearly opposite” and you also say,”i’m sick of all the fat fucks out there saying they are ‘anorexic’.”

    so what do you mean? can you have an eating disorder at any weight or are you only eating disordered if you are thin?

  302. brianna says:

    yep i said that too. why are you saying things i already knew?

  303. Anonymous says:

    To show the sociopathical person you truly are, you are batshit crazy, off your guilds if you even have one. You have no spine get raped again while your friend just lies there and watches.

  304. Irishish says:

    Hey BriBri I think she’s helping everyone understand so we can all pull through together. We will be stronger that way. *Feels the love*

  305. The Divine says:

    …Well, if that blog owner is reading this than she will have a field day these comments…

  306. Anonymous says:

    from Stazie: “She just felt threatened by you (despite the fact that you didn’t directly) and was trying to get back at you. ”

    She made a direct physical threat involving location. You seem to misunderstand the difference between appropriate legal action for one’s safety and “getting back at you”

  307. Fallenstar says:

    “Brianna,

    Hasn’t the noose gotten tight enough aroud your neck yet or did you forget to jump off the chair last time you tried to hang yourself? Hopefully if he is real your b/f will break up with you when he comes home from Iraq but wait you won’t care. You are a socoipath ”

    Alia, that’s sick that you said that.

    This is getting ridiculous. It’s funny how nobody mentions that other people besides CB members are bickering and saying hurtful things too. MamaV. You’re an adult right? Please, put a stop to this post. Delete all this it’s only hurting people, please see that.I’m out for real this time. Everyone ignore those who are trying to hurt you on here.

  308. brianna says:

    she wasnt lying there you fucking bitch, he was molesting her.

  309. Anonymous says:

    “ok yea i know its bad to give tips on how to get drugs and such. but honestly i’ve been doing cocaine for nearly 5 years now.but now that i have moved, i dont know anyone to get drugs from. i found a guy. but first he wants me to prove that im not an undercover cop. any ideas how i can do this?”

  310. Anonymous says:

    question for Brianna… if you’ve made multiple posts about how you “used to” lie to people and manipulate people for fun, all the while calling yourself a sociopath…. then start saying you’re not anymore but posting melodramatic posts all over CB… why should ANYONE believe you’re not lying and manipulating for shits and giggles again? Just like you and your best friend used to try to pick up people in bars just to fuck with them.

  311. Lauren says:

    Ok.. Lets focus on whats important!
    There are pictures of many girls from a certain community unfairly and wrongly claiming that they are all promoting and encouraging the development of ED’s. We just want them taken down and for all of this to stop! Thats what is important and needs to be remembered….

  312. Anonymous says:

    “lol ok, so we kept talking, he eased up about me being a cop. and then tonight we were talking thru text, and i asked him where i could get food this late at night (since im new in town). and he told me what was open, and then he said,”ok, im not paranoid about you being a cop anymore, it’s not everyday that a cop would ask where to get food”
    lol i was rolling.”

  313. brianna says:

    yep, i have a drug problem too.

    i dont care if you believe me or not. you me nothing to me.

  314. Anonymous says:

    Exactly, Brianna. No one means anything to you outside how you can manipulate them for your own entertainment.

  315. Irishish says:

    Wow you ate! I’m so proud that’s a huge step towards recovery BriBri… Karma when I can!

  316. The Divine says:

    I agree with Lauren 100%.

    This is getting totally out of hand.

  317. Irishish says:

    Bribers I’m not judging you sweetums. It’s ok… you have your drug problem and your e.d. and your formerly sociopathic thing and your military wife stuff and your shyness and your paranoia… i understand *grouphug!* And seriously… karma when I can.

  318. brianna says:

    i’m not anorexic irishish, i’m bulimic, of course i ate.

    anything else you would like to reveal about me, anything else you think you can bring me down with? how about my cutting? or my abusive ex? or my problems with my husbands ex holly? bring it on.

  319. Ruby. says:

    Can we please stop this. This blog has become a place to personally attack each other.

    Reading through this has made me feel sick. The comments being made from both sides are despicable.

    Please just get back to the issue this blog was addressing.

  320. Irishish says:

    Bri! I’m going to save you! KARMA in like 15 minutes or so!

  321. Anonymity says:

    “This is getting totally out of hand.”

    more like this HAS GOTTEN totally out of hand.

    everyone here needs a big hot cup of shut the fuck up.

  322. Irishish says:

    I’ll take one please!

  323. Irishish says:

    No… not really. It smells funky.

  324. Stacie says:

    Anonymous

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    To the other Anonymous
    “Stacie- your childish and insulting post has no point whatsoever as she herself said she is pregnant…. other than making you look extremely ignorant.”

    Teach the first to read.

  325. Anonymous says:

    “i got $950 for christmas… i’ll probably spend it on drugs =(“

  326. brianna says:

    acctualy i only spent half on drugs, spent the other half on the computer im using

  327. Irishish says:

    oh em gee. this is so sad. i need to go get my emo music now

    /wrist.

  328. Anonymous says:

    Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:29 am Subject: line after line
    i promised myself i would not stay up all night doing cocaine…

    it hurts when you break a promise you made to someone else
    but it fucking kills when you break a promise you made to yourself.

  329. Anonymous says:

    or how about this?
    “i’m hanging out with people tonight i’m hanging out with a girl i knew from school and some of her friends. i’m so nervous. i’m scared of people, i only have my husband and my best friend maddie. other than that i only have acquaintances, no friends reall”
    you’re a sociopath after all, right? can’t have friends now

  330. The Divine says:

    Yes, this has gotten out of hand. It is totally off-topic right now. This is just crazy.

  331. Anonymous says:

    “I don’t know who all is posting on mamavision, but please can everyone just drop it.

    I popped over and it is sickening to read what everyone has been saying. This whole thing was bad enough.

    I know I have no right to ask this, but it was so sad to see what it has turned into over there.”

  332. Stacie says:

    Irishish

    I will sent you the music.

  333. Anonymous says:

    “i would give anything to find someone ere who sold my drug of choice.

    i’m not ready to stop yet, but i’m being forced because i can’t find anyone who sells it. “

  334. Irishish says:

    The Divine, there’s a reason…
    I got attacked, and I think there are people who don’t like seeing others attacked esp. when the person is unable to defend them self and is innocent.

  335. Anonymous says:

    post subject: not straight

    Unimportantloss wrote:
    KimXkaotic wrote:
    I am bi.
    Everyone knows.
    Except my parents =[

    ditto

  336. Anonymous says:

    i have very few friends. for the most part i just stick to my best friend and my husband and i don’t really hang out with other people.

    and i realized today that i am a mean person and thats one of the reasons i don’t have more friends. i’m so mean, and i always treat people like shit and talk about them when then aren’t around. thats not what bothers me though.

    what bothers me is that i think i’m probably really mean to my best friend, but i’ve brainwashed her and she doesn’t realize it.

  337. Irishish says:

    OMFG! THANKS STACIE!!!!! DO YOU HAVE FALLOUTBOY???

  338. Stacie says:

    Anonymous

    Sounds you are in love, you have your head so high up this others person life. Maybe you can get one of your own? Maybe not, I would not want to hang with you. Probably not even my bird.

    I will ask the homeless dude down the street.

  339. The Divine says:

    Irishish, I know who you are. I know your story (told to me by others). I have been to AnaLurve and The Jungle (I have never posted on them-just read through.) I even witnessed something you had done (more recently).

    I don’t know if you mean you were attacked on here or on CB or both. I know your name comes up many times. I know about the bullshit on CB. I know about what some mods do and shit.

    I am aware of many, many things.

  340. Anonymous says:

    “i’m just scared. i don’t want to deal wit the chaos of knowing that the end is near, i hope i die long before it, otherwise i might have to kill myself.”

    What, you believe Nostradamus?

  341. Anonymous says:

    Brianna, I just LOVE your hair. I love how it clumps and hangs like greased twine around your acne face. Don’t worry, we know it’s just the crack.

    and Stacie, your bird wouldn’t want to be friends with me? Awwww, too bad. I like birds. A lot.

    They taste good.

  342. brianna says:

    the apocalypse, armageddon, the end of the world, whatever you want to call it, yes i believe the end is near.

  343. Irishish says:

    Something I have done like what? Did I speed on the way home last night? Or did I create something so horrible that you all make this mystery about it and speak in tongues. It’s irish… she’s evvvvvil. She has no soul. *rolls eyes* Please. I don’t do crap compared to many, many others.

  344. Stacie says:

    Irishish

    nah, too happy for you. They suck!
    I will throw you some eminem. Hope it hits you in tha…

    Shit I better not say cuz then you will call the Popo!

  345. Irishish says:

    bad boys bad boys

    whatcha gonna do
    whatcha gonna do when they come for you

  346. Anonymous says:

    Don’t worry Brianna…. unreasonable paranoia is a common side effect of crack.

    Though it looks like you need to stop sharing with Stacie.

  347. brianna says:

    my hair is horrible isnt it? i know i agree. so is my skin, thats why i cake on the make up everyday so i can feel pretty. i know i’m ugly, this isnt news to me.

  348. The Divine says:

    Well, it may or may not have been you. It could have even been someone framing you. The reason I thought it was you was because…

    1.) This person knew some private information.

    2.) This person seemed to have a problem with certain staff members and mentioned something about them talking about their friends.

    3.) At the end of it they were screaming, “Irish Pride! Irish Pride! Irish Pride!”

  349. Krista (aka Stazie) says:

    Pray tell, who did I backstab by writing what I did in the 911 thread?

  350. Anonymous says:

    “”PS- to the members of CB who have been keeping me up to date on everything that’s been going on, you know I appreciate it. I don’t want to say names because you don’t need to be subjected to their abuse too, but it’s always good to know how much people hate you.”

    Do you think she is just bullshitting?”

    What do YOU think?

  351. Irishish says:

    What lol? I don’t ever remember doing that.

    I don’t often say Irish pride unless I’m with Irishmen at an Irish pub holding a guiness. (It may have been when Red and I first left CB a year ago.)

    Honestly, lot’s of people know private info. It’s not hard to find and I actually used to be rather close to several staff members and I thought they could be trusted “something about them talking about their friends” Damn… it’s CB that places is FILLEd with that lol. I couldn’t honestly say anything about anything on that.

  352. Stacie says:

    Anonymous

    I am glad you learned how to spell my name, I thought I was going to have to send you a copy of my ID.

    and you are a mole.

    Plain and simple a coward and someone who went far out of her way to assist with what this has all become.

  353. Anonymous says:

    Stacie, you’re awfully quick to sling names. You don’t believe that threats (such as attempting to illegally hack this blog) should be made public?

  354. maddie says:

    i havnt read all of the drama bull on here about my friend brie and i , but hearing what i have i have a few things to say to you FAT ASS lame bitches who have no fucking lives and spend there days on a fourm being mean…oh how fun
    so you have no idea about any of it…were you there? yes you read something on a foum about it , but that does not mean you have any idea what went on that night or in our lives UNLESS you happen to be with us when it happens. its funny that you say hurtfull things like there arnt real ppl at the other end. i hope you all open you eyes to the fact that you have no clue…and honestly i would never tell you what happend that night cauz you are all the most judgementl assholes.
    she trusted you with something she needed to share and you (cauz your bored or something) turn on her…idk think if it was you?
    i hope you never have to go thru some of the things she has been thru and i wish you all the best on the things u are going thu
    im out…peace!

  355. The Divine says:

    Irishish, fair enough. Like I said, someone could have been framing you.

  356. Anonymous says:

    Silly girl, sociopaths don’t trust.

    They just lie for fun…. at least, in “your bff Brie”‘s words.

  357. Anonymous says:

    You don’t have to she already did, you were lying side by side on the bed… when it happened.

  358. Irishish says:

    The Divine:

    Thank you. It’s nice to know that there are a few who would give me a chance before assuming and threatening. I am more grateful to that than you know.

  359. Stacie says:

    Anonymous

    “You don’t believe that threats (such as attempting to illegally hack this blog) should be made public?”

    Never said that, go back and read my posts.

    Oh, wait you cant read and your attempt to save yourself consist of lies. Sounds like someone I know. Maybe its best to take a break now and go back and look at what I have written.

    You are going to have to do better.

  360. The Divine says:

    Irishish, it’s no problem. I know how it feels…

  361. Anonymous says:

    lol.
    Never said you wrote that one, Stacie. You accused me of being a mole. I said certain comments needed to be made public. I never said who made them.

    Looks like you’re the one with trouble reading.

  362. Stacie says:

    Actually alot better, because your a fake and too ashamed to say who you are. I am sorry you feel like this but its something to be had with your parents not here.

  363. Anonymous says:

    As usual, a laughable nonsensical reply.

    Try to make sense next time.

  364. Stacie says:

    “Stacie, you’re awfully quick to sling names. You don’t believe that threats (such as attempting to illegally hack this blog) should be made public?”

    What you wrote.. Wow memory problems too?

  365. Stacie says:

    Try to understand better.

  366. mamavision says:

    Whoa….ok that was freaky.

    You girls have proven one thing, you certainly don’t seem to be very aligned. What happened to the bright and sunny butterflies? Is this how you speak to one another on CB?

    Support? Don’t see it.

    To all that are begging me to delete comments, can’t do it, not my style. Plus this is a really interesting exercise in human nature.

    Going to bed, I’ll check in tomorrow to read more information about the CB board since I have never been a member and I don’t troll around there.

    I am glad to see some posted their personal stories and efforts towards recovery. Just remember the boards should be one prong in your efforts, not the end all be all. You need to seek support offline, and group meetings with others in recovery moderated by experts.

    Do you all not see that for the most part the boards are a road to no where?

    -mamaV

  367. The Divine says:

    I agree with you Mama V.

  368. Irishish says:

    I only have a problem when people start threatening me….

  369. Irishish says:

    And Divine I must admit I am curious as to who you are…

  370. The Divine says:

    …….I wish I could let you know without publicly showing who I am because I do not want these kinds of personal attacks on me.

  371. Irishish says:

    If there were a safe way you would feel ok with it?

  372. Anonymous says:

    ““Stacie, you’re awfully quick to sling names. You don’t believe that threats (such as attempting to illegally hack this blog) should be made public?”

    What you wrote.. Wow memory problems too?”

    Wow you’re dumb. You called me a mole for taking posts from CB and posting them here. I asked if you thought those things didn’t need to be said.

    Still not seeing where I said you said those things… guess you’re just a dumbass, aren’t you.

  373. The Divine says:

    Yes I would. I lost the links to AnaLurve and The Jungle or else I would have tried through there.

  374. febreze says:

    MamaV,
    The boards have been extremely helpful to me. I have help outside of the boards, yes. But I have been able to trust in these girls through hard times, and as my therapist can’t be there for me at midnight, when I’m lonely and suicidal, they can be. Its good to have support in these girls. Its good to have girls I can trust. These boards aren’t roads going to nowhere, honestly. You see a split because of the tension Faces of Pro Ana is causing. There are people like me in which whom most of the people in my life don’t know I have an Eating Disorder. Now their faces are on a public website proclaiming them pro ana! Its causing lots of strife and hardships for our CB members. Even for me and my pictures not up there, however one of my close friends’ pictures is up there, and it could ruin careers, lives. Anyways, I appreciate you taking the picture down. Thank you very much.

  375. Irishish says:

    im making a junk email… send me a message there

    it’s whoisdivine@live.com

  376. Amy says:

    Reading the last hundred or so posts has really turned my stomach.

    Please remember that we all struggle with eating disorders, and it is in all of our best interests to be united and support each other rather than attempt to drag each other down. Our lives are hard enough as it is.

    To the person who quoted me as saying this:

    “That’s what’s really freaking me out – it seems like some of those pictures were up for only a few days, quite a while ago, while others (like sassycat’s) were posted within the past 2 or 3 days. whoever did this obviously has had consistent access to our site. and still might. which means they might have access to our other info (stuff about SI, abuse, rape, drug use, family and relationship problems, etc.).

    This is terrifying.”

    Know that this IS terrifying. The posters on this blog who are revealing personal information about members of CB, regardless of the fact that there are not full names attached to the information, please recognize how damaging this could be. This is a somewhat popular blog, and revealing certain information about individuals could put them in an unsafe situation or ruin their relationships or profession/educational lives. Please take this into consideration.

    -Amy

  377. Empty says:

    Irishish, this has been posted on CB for awhile but I feel it bears posting here, since my other posts are quoted here out of context.


    I’d also like to add that when I posted the ‘I dont give a fuck if she can read what I’m writing’ etc etc I wasn’t referring to Irishish. I was talking about whoever it was that was reading the threads on CB and copying/pasting our words anonymously onto MamaVision. I meant that I didn’t care if she could see what I was saying because I had nothing to hide, and that the messages were being copied and pasted didnt phase me.

    What bothers me is everything else.”

    I wouldn’t personally attack you, considering I don’t know you. All the nastyness that has happened on this blog is a result of being defensive OVER other nastyness.

  378. Empty says:

    [/soapbox]

  379. Fallenstar says:

    Wow, some of you people are REALLY immature. I didn’t want to post again, but MamaV, this does not represent CB. I guess you blew off my previous post and most of those from other CB members that were not cursing or insulting. Most of the people being nasty on here are not even a part of CB (at least not honestly), and the ones that are, are responding in a nasty way because they keep getting personally attacked (though I don’t think they should be nasty back) , like this, “Brianna, I just LOVE your hair. I love how it clumps and hangs like greased twine around your acne face. Don’t worry, we know it’s just the crack.

    and Stacie, your bird wouldn’t want to be friends with me? Awwww, too bad. I like birds. A lot.

    They taste good.”

    That is uncalled for. It’s gone away from the original topic to personal attacks, which I believe that the owner of this blog should put an end to as a responsible blog owner. But she doesn’t seem to care. And it seems she’s enjoying it. Which is why I think CB members should stop arguing back with these silly people; they like getting a rise out of you, and MamaV likes to watch- that I don’t understand for someone who talks about supporting people with ED’s. Girls, please don’t give them the twisted fun they want.

  380. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    I know this shit with Niika is over..

    BUT WTF!?
    Was I just called REVERSE THINSPO!?

  381. M. says:

    IrishIsh-
    I don’t know you but I’m a member of CB and I would give you a chance before assuming things about you. I’ve heard your name being mentioned on the forum, but very sparingly. And most of the time it seems people try to respect your privacy and try to not bring your name into anything. At least that is what I have seen. So, why do you act like everyone on CB is against you? Because really I think most people don’t even know who you are.

  382. Lauren says:

    The immaturity of some of the posts is not reflective of the CB community as a whole. We are not the vindictive, backstabbing, bunch of immature school girls we have been made out to be.
    All we want is to put across our point that we are do not encourage the development or continuence of eating disorders, but provide support for those who are in or not yet ready to recovery.
    I have tried to post here with maturity and in an adult like manner and hate to think that I will be tarred with the same brush. I just want the targeting of this community brought to an end.
    We need to stop personally attacking each other, and bring the important issue back to heart. The removal of unauthorised photos and our association off a certain blog.
    CB members who post here, please try to maintain your dignity and do not lower yourselves the level of those who are trying to hurt you. We are not better than them, but all this is not showing the wider community the true supportive nature of CB and further fueling the fire. Its not worth it so just walk away because the only people you are hurting is yourself, and the rest of the CB community.

  383. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    This is the hard thing Loz.
    I am a fourteen, mentally ill girl.. I’m GOING to get pissed off if someone challenges me.
    I can admit I am not the most intelligent person in the world.
    Whilst I have tried to come across as an ok person, it’s challenging right now with all this SHIT going on.

  384. M. says:

    But Kat, don’t stoop to their level. It may be hard and it takes self restraint, but being able to keep yourself from doing that is a sign of maturity. I know you can do it Kat! Who cares what they think and what they say? They don’t know you. They have no affect on you. They can’t hurt you. You definitely have the right and probably should defend yourself in a tasteful manner, but once you’ve done it and they keep acting the way they do, ignore them. It’s exactly what they don’t want you to do. When you gracefully walk away, who’s going to end up looking like a jerk and like a fool? They are, not you.

  385. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Meh, I just wish there was a real discussion going on.
    I like to involve myself in them =D Haha heaps more exciting than a bunch of insults strung together with profanities.

  386. Newt says:

    MV I think the nasty dialogue going on between these girls makes for a good topic of discussion. How is this CB site supportive? Earlier all the above posters keep going on about the support they receive there. If these posts are any indication of what actually goes on on their private site then the place sounds like a nasty, hateful, angry place. Doesn’t sound very supportive to me.

  387. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    I have honesly never seen a fight on CB.
    We are simply responding to the hurtful things that have said about us, and, with reason… Have been a little pissy about it.
    Although, you can think whatever you like.. It’s a private forum and I am extremely happy there.. I do not feel a need to prove to anybody else how great it is.

  388. Nicaragua says:

    Newt, are you a member of CB?

    There are 3, maybe 4 people here from CB having an argument. Sure.

    How many people are on CB as a whole? Many many more.
    This is nothing like what CB is like. These are some people who are from CB who are very angry at the moment.

    I can assure you the site is very supportive, and if people do not feel support from the site than I don’t know why they’re there. I know for sure that’s why I am there.

    So to answer you basically, no, these posts are not any indication of what actually goes on in our ‘private site’ (I use inverted commas as it would seem it is not private anymore).

    The majority of people on CB are upset and scared at the moment. Not nasty and hateful.

  389. Newt says:

    No Nicaragua I am not a member and until about 2 days ago I had never heard of CB. To be honest I’m still a little confused as to what this CB site is all about. Some wrote that it was a pro-reality site, some wrote it was a recovery site but all mentionned it was a support site. Unfortunately the people above who I presume are all members or were members at some point or another do not give a very good impression of what the site is all about. I’m not trying to fuel the fire just want to know how the place can be supportive. I am currently in active recovery having just recently gotten out of IP and if the CB site is a recovery site would find it extremely damaging to my or any person in recovery.

  390. Newt says:

    I better clarify my last sentence before getting a lashing. I meant if the fighting above is any indication of what goes on there then this would be extremely damaging to me or any person in recovery.

  391. Nicaragua says:

    Well, there is the CB website, which is what it is.
    The boards are a bit different. The only way I can describe it is to say that it is a forum for people with eating disorders. You’re not allowed to post tips and tricks and talk about how ‘ana wil save us all <3’ and all that.

    I wouldn’t say that it is pro-recovery ONLY because not everyone on the board is in recovery. But it is highly encouraged by everyone on that board. When I only begun contemplating dipping my toes into recovery, everyone was very very encouraging of it and reassured me I was doing the greatest thing I could do.

    There is a subforum on the board just for recovery.
    And it is true there is one for thinspiration too. But I personally choose to spend very little of my time on there anyway (as do many members)… and to be honest when I’m in the frame of mind where I want to be looking at that, I would find it, whether it’s on CB or in the other side of the planet.

    So probably the best way to describe it is to say it’s a site where people with eating disorders are supported, never pushed or forced to recover (we are never going to be Something Fishy) but highly encouraged to do so. And it’s somewhere we never feel alone.

    Please don’t take what is going on here as an indication of what CB is really like because, like Kat said, I don’t recall ever seeing a fight on the board. This whole thing has gone batshit crazy. All I want is for my photo to be off that site but I can’t see that happening. So unfortunately I just have to sit here and watch people slogging it out with all the personal ammunition they can find and worry worry worry about anyone I know stumbling across this ludicrous website.

  392. Nicaragua says:

    I just want to add, a billion respect points for recovering (or being in recovery). That is dirty hard work.

  393. Newt says:

    Thank you Nicaragua for clarify it for me. I was a tad scared to even post in fears I may just get a new one ripped out of me.

    Recovery is “dirty hard work” as you put it. I hate cliches but like you probably have heard before it is very difficult and in my case the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. Slowly I am learning how to mute the voice that tells me how worthless and terrible I am. Somedays are good, somedays are bad but I have to try. I have nothing to lose at this stage of my life being I have lost so much already to this dreadful disease. Thank you for your kind reply and not lashing out at me due to my ignorance about CB. Take care.

  394. Sara says:

    “Newt
    March 31, 2008 at 4:26 am
    I better clarify my last sentence before getting a lashing. I meant if the fighting above is any indication of what goes on there then this would be extremely damaging to me or any person in recovery.”

    You are correct in assuming it would be highly damaging to people in recovery.

    To people outside recovery as well.

    Know why we are upset?

    1.We are upset because our photos were taken without permission.

    2. FoPA won’t allow any comments that aren’t hurtful.

    3. We posted here, because MamaV seemed to advocate the site.

    4. We became more upset when people started quoting us out of context here.

    You see, it IS upsetting and damaging. This is horrendous, it has gotten out of hand.

    I’m waiting to see this comment be taken the wrong way as well.

  395. Nicaragua says:

    Newt, you are very welcome. And I wish you all the luck in the world with your recovery. =]

  396. Echo says:

    Oh, my god.

    *facepalm*

    Right, all I would like to do is draw mamaV’s attention (if she’s even still reading, and frankly I wouldn’t blame her if she wasn’t) to the excellent comments made by fallenstar, Lauren and Nicaragua. That is all.

  397. Nicaragua says:

    haha, thanks, echo.

    I should probably add that this is Nicola from the boards, not that I’m a massive poster over there. I used the name nicaragua because it’s cuter. Or at least less painfully obvious.

  398. Anonymous says:

    “I’d also like to add that when I posted the ‘I dont give a fuck if she can read what I’m writing’ etc etc I wasn’t referring to Irishish. I was talking about whoever it was that was reading the threads on CB and copying/pasting our words anonymously onto MamaVision. I meant that I didn’t care if she could see what I was saying because I had nothing to hide, and that the messages were being copied and pasted didnt phase me.”

    Except immediately after you DID go on to blame “whoever it was that was reading the threads on CB and copying/pasting our words anonymously onto MamaVision” on Irishish.

    And don’t be fooled- there’s a LOT more than 3 or 4 members of CB posting here. Try more like 20 or 30, if not more. And most of them are posting even MORE hurtful things over on CB where they think people won’t see.

    When they’re not posting in the latest “88 real girls” thinspo thread, or the thread about how a GREAT! tip is to drink a lot of water before bed so when you wake up in the morning you pee out fat, or asking a member where she buys her hoodia, asking about buying diet pills online, and doing milk fasts together.

  399. Nats says:

    I need to ask this, but why is this conversation still going on?? on here I mean?? Im confused by the whole thing and I feel that this should be moved on and not on this site.

  400. Anonymous says:

    Nicaragua:
    “You’re not allowed to post tips and tricks and talk about how ‘ana wil save us all <3′ and all that.”

    Yet it happens. A lot. Minors asking how to buy diet pills online. Members going on a milk fast together. Asking what brand of hoodia is best. Which exercises burn the most calories.

    Want to know a REALLY sick one? How to smuggle lists of calorie counts into IP, or inpatient- the hospital.

    “I wouldn’t say that it is pro-recovery ONLY because not everyone on the board is in recovery.”

    More like the minority of members is in recovery. The board gets lip service.

    “There is a subforum on the board just for recovery.
    And it is true there is one for thinspiration too. ”

    Yeah, and guess which gets updated more often. Yup- the thinspo board. With pictures of real girls and Miley Cyrus, a 15-year-old. She’s one of the mod’s personal favorite. Well, her and those neo-nazi twins. How old are they now? 12? But one of the mods just LOVES posting pictures of them.

    “Please don’t take what is going on here as an indication of what CB is really like because, like Kat said, I don’t recall ever seeing a fight on the board.”

    Don’t make us all laugh. No fighting? Rainbow Sprinkles leaving ring a bell? What’s going on now ring a bell? Fights over taking down someone’s real girl thinspo picture- there have been fights because someone posted that a picture in real girl thinspo featured a girl who had either recovered or died and should be taken down and the poster (cough cough arcane) wouldn’t do it. Fighting over what should and shouldn’t be posted in the 911 section. Hell, fighting over Dominique leaving. If you think you’ve never seen any fighting on that board you’re blind as a bat or dumb as a brick or both.
    Or maybe you’re just too busy staring at the thinspo threads to notice the fighting.

  401. Anonymous says:

    MamaV, I really do think you have a good website, and one that, I’m sure has helped many people.

    However, I am commenting to ask you to remove the link of the “faces of pro-ana” site. What they did is so, terribly, wrong. You don’t need your site being caught up in that.

    I have a dear friend who’s photo is on that site, and she is not pro-anorexia, in any way, shape, or form. Already on cb, we have a persons friends who have discovered her on that site. It is already ruining people’s lives.

    Please, mamaV, take down the link. If you did, you really would be doing the right thing.

    Anonymous.

  402. Anonymous 2 says:

    I didn’t realise someone was already posting as anonymous … I’ll post as anonymous 2 to avioud confusion. The above post was from myself, anonymous 2.

  403. n says:

    newt, well done for going in to recovery, all the best x. C.B is the most supportive site i have found and every one there is friendly, as others have said the members of cb that are arguing here are only standing up for the rest of us, cb is anything but pro-ana, there is a sub forum for recovery for those of us who are strong enough to recover, im not ready to yet. cb i a loving caring enviroment full of support and help, ive found it a great place and its really helped me with other problems along with my ED. i think all of this has got out of hand, faces of pro ana have used my picture and im not pro. who ever made fopa are sick and twisted with nothing better to do than cause upset and hurt, i used to feel safe on cb but now im worryed incase some troll is lurking and reading, like many most my friends and family dont know about my ed and now my face has been published as pro ana im scared some one will stumble across it will cause endless problems, i hope this all blows over and the owner of fopa decides to be a big person and take down those pictures of me and my friends and in the future to ask permission before using pictures again

  404. Anonymous says:

    MamaV made a good point- that any online forum should be but a small part in the overall treatment of an ED, along with professional help. Yet “n” is saying that for the majority of members there, no one outside the board knows about their ED, including parents. So how exactly are they getting that professional help that they claim if their “friends and family dont know about [their] ed?”

    And if CB isn’t pro-ana, how do you explain the tips about buying diet pills (buying online, which brands work best), smuggling lists of calorie counts into the hospital, what to eat at a dinner with parents that looks “normal” but is really low-calorie, etc? The whole board dedicated to fasting together, supporting each others’ fasts? The recent post about how great it feels to hit a goal weight and aim for the next one (and for clarification, she was talking about losing to get to a goal weight, not gaining in recovery). No, not every member congratulated her- but a good many did, and agreed about gee how much fun it was to hit that goal weight and set a new one.

    Are you saying these things aren’t pro-ana? Are you saying these things are supportive? Are these the things which you describe as not forcing recovery down anyone’s throat but encouraging it? Because telling someone going into the hospital how to sneak in calorie counts, telling minors how to buy diet pills online, encouraging each other on milk fasts and talking about how much fun it is to hit your goal weight loss does NOT sound at all conducive to recovery.

    If my dog poops, I can call it roses for all I want, but it’s still poop. You can call yourselves pro-support, pro-reality, encouraging but not forcing recovery all you want. Why do you think so many members leave there after a few months? They come, they see what is actually there, they see the threads which get updated frequently and the ones which don’t. They see it for what it is. And by masquerading as something that could help people in recovery, you’re doing a bigger disservice than most sites with pro-ana content- because you say you aren’t. At least those that proclaim it are obvious about it, so those trying to recovery know not to go there. You say you support recovery. How is posting thinspo and giving tips and celebrating weight loss supportive of recovery? How is fasting together supportive of it? How is discussing different diet pills? How is giving tips about how to hide the ED behaviors? How does any of that help someone who is actually in recovery? Do you REALLY think it doesn’t make things worse for those in recovery?

  405. mamavision says:

    Good morning everyone: I’ll be posting a video shortly on my thoughts of this whole saga.

    A few direct comments:

    Kat/Candied clouds: As a 14 year old getting ripped on, I certainly don’t blame you for reacting as you have, its only natural regardless of age. Just know that what you say and how you say it has consequences.

    Anonomous2: Can’t take down the link, because I am making a point here. In school, in college, in business, no one moderates your email, your life. This is a solid lesson in self control and self reflection. In business we say “don’t email anything that you would not want printed on the front page of the NY Times.” With that thought, would the young woman that trusted each other on the CB site or elsewhere be a bit more cautious before placing their image on the site?

    To All: This blog has been unmoderated from day one and it will continue to be. This is not a sign of irresponsibility, but a sign of respect, respect for all of you who wish to express yourself without censorship. As we are seeing there are consequences of actions, so if you have said something with evil, selfish intentions, post an apology, its as simple as that.

    You can’t take it back. Life doesn’t work that way,
    Love,
    mamaV

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  407. Alia says:

    Why have I still not been told by a Moderator or an Administrator why my account was suspended. How dare you unimportantloss say I am a spy this is still America but no I get no answer as to why I was removed.

    CB you are nothing but hypocritcal and are not supportive unless people think as you think. I came to CB looking for recovery and you know it was like I didn’t exsist do you know how it feels to post and not even get one response from girls who have ED’s and are in treatment of some kind on getting additional help?

    It seriously hurts that I have emailed the admins and not been given a response except from another member who does not even know except to call me a cunt and a spy, while I try not to take it heart since the person is seriously mentally embalance to begin with, it bothers me that others seem to agree with her…

    I know that this post will be ignored by the Butterflies and you know something that shows what kind of people you are truly inside.

    Alia

  408. Anonymous 2 says:

    MamaV, you say you can’t take down the link because you are making a point. Don’t you think you’ve actually ALREADY made a point?

    I see your point, also, about the fact that we should be more careful etc with where we post our photos, and, to a certain degree, i agree. However, we posted these photos on a PRIVATE forum, where only other butterflies should have come across them.

    That site has caused so much hurt, and so much pain among so many wonderful people, who are already hurting, and in pain. You really aren’t helping.

  409. Anonymous 2 says:

    Alia, I was very much in support of you after you had apologised for saying what you did, and I made an attempt at sorting things out among us butterflies.

    However, now that you have posted HERE of all places, about things that you perhaps didn’t agree with about cb, and that you didn’t like, I sincerely hope that you are not allowed back, at all.

    Don’t you think it would have been far more useful to pm one of the cb staff, and explain to them your point of view, rather than posting on a site like this?

    I am very saddened that you did this, as I was considering asking the staff for your contact info, so that I could check if you were okay. I’m glad I saw this first.

  410. Alia says:

    YOU YOU YOU!!! has anyone even read what I have posted. You are treating me the same way hurting me and NOT caring at all.

  411. Anonymous 2 says:

    I did care. Why else would i have tried to sorten things out, once you apologised?

    Surely you must see that your last post here was not good, and that it won’t have helped your situation at all.

  412. Alia says:

    What did i say Anonymous 2? I’ve gotten no reply at all someone did call me those names and I didn’t get support when I needed it, please check my posts there if you can…

    It should be in General Chat entitled Treatment in NYC or something of the sort you will see that it was not responded to at all.

    And I was called names first ok perhaps I shouldn’t of said that about this person but she started first with me no one answered me at all.

    If you want my contact info here it is..

    aliaxatreides@aim.com

    I am more than willing to speak to you to anyone about this…

    I have no other place to show my voice so yea I did it here.

  413. Alia says:

    Oh and since we seem to be posting at the same time I really didn’t see your message at all until I did my own.

  414. Anonymous 2 says:

    You have no other place to voice your opinions? Rubbish. You could have contacted the staff. Sure, there replies will most likely be quite slow, but they, obviously, have a lot to deal with right now.

    I’m sorry that your post wasn’t replied to, but, really, all of us have posts that take a long time to get a reply/aren’t replied to at all – not just you.

  415. Alia says:

    But that is the point I was banned, I have no staff emails at all I had no way to contact ANYONE. Sorry if you think that this rubbish but it was my only choice I had no other, I would of gladly contacted one of them but I could not at all.

  416. Anonymous 2 says:

    It seriously hurts that I have emailed the admins

    I had no way to contact ANYONE.

    I believe you’ve contradicted yourself.
    I’m going, you obviously think you’re in the right – and i’m not going to attempt to change your mind.

  417. Alia says:

    No. I am not condradicting myself in that I know the email I sent it to probalay gets a lot of traffic but to get no reponse when they had to know it would be coming hurts. Still today nothing is all I am trying to say.

  418. brianna says:

    i know who you are now alia, and i am saddened because we talked before and you were a really cool girl. i’m hurt by the things you said. what a shame.

  419. Anonymous 2 says:

    I agree. I, also, knew you before alia. We had talked briefly. I’m very much saddened to see that you had another side – the one you’re showing now.

  420. brianna says:

    alia, you should have me on aim. my sn is the same as my CB name, IM me and i will send you the staff email if you still need it.

  421. The Divine says:

    “CB you are nothing but hypocritcal and are not supportive unless people think as you think. I came to CB looking for recovery and you know it was like I didn’t exsist do you know how it feels to post and not even get one response from girls who have ED’s and are in treatment of some kind on getting additional help?”
    ~Alia

    She’s telling it like it is. CB does not help, it hinders. What non-pro ed site has a whole board dedicated to Thinspiration? I tried posting in recovery and only one other girl ever read and responded to my journal. No one posts in recovery, no one supports anyone on CB. You are not allowed to voice your opinions on CB or else you will be deleted.

    I tried to voice my opinions on the site, I tried to be supportive and receive support but what did I get in return? Personally attacked by a power hungry moderator.

    CB is hypocritical, nothing less.

  422. M. says:

    Anyone who doesn’t like CB is welcome to leave. I don’t agree with some of you, I think people on CB are allowed to speak their minds as long as they are not intentionally hurting anyone else. There are some things about CB that I don’t like, like the thinspiration section. So I stay out of it because I know I probably can’t change it, and if people want to look at thinspo they are going to do it, it’s everywhere. If you feel the good outweighs the bad, you stay and hope the site may evolve for the better. And if it doesn’t and you outgrow it, you leave. You can speak against forums like CB if you like, but it’s a whole different thing to bring people, with feelings, into it as FoPA has. Anyone who brings more attention to FoPA is making the hurt last longer. If you feel CB did not offer you any support when you were there I am really sorry that you had to feel that way, but if you don’t want to come back because you feel it’s not supportive then move on and drop this.I hope you find what you are looking for. If you are above it then walk away. Geez, there are way worse eating disorder “support” sites than CB! Just leave the CB community alone.

  423. Anonymous says:

    See, M, that’s where you’re wrong.

    VERY hurtful posts are allowed to stay up. Posts criticizing CB are not.

    You say there are worse boards out there than CB… but there are not. CB is worse than boards which are openly pro-ana, because it has a LOT of pro-ana content (more than the recovery content, much much more) yet masquerades as promoting recovery. People seeking help in recovery come to it. It says it supports recovery. So they join- and find that most of the board contains pro-ana content. It’s not as simple as “just stay off that board” when that comment applies to the majority of the threads on the board- or when you present one image, and members cannot see that that image isn’t really true until after they join.

  424. M. says:

    Anonymous who posted above, I wish you’d reveal who you are. Or at least say what happened to you on CB that has made you feel this way. I wish I could help you, but don’t know that I really can since I am not ready to recover. You are right, the majority of members on CB are not recovering, this can make CB a hard place to be for those who want to recover. This is just because so many people on there are trying to stay as safe as they can WITH their ED’s. Many will argue there is no way to be safe with an ED. Part of me agrees. But it is all we can do right now. I know that when sickly thin girls post their picture, almost every single person who replies says they are worried and to please not lose anymore weight. What hurtful comments that do not criticized CB have stayed up?

    I really don’t think this will get anywhere. You will believe what you want. We just want to get those pictures off that site. We want people to stop hurting. But they don’t care. Not even MamaV. I suppose that if CB members stop commenting here and ignore that fopa site the person will eventually get tired and it will go away.

  425. M. says:

    I’d like to add, CB does not intend to be or say they are pro-recovery. They support people who want to recover and encourage it, this is not to say CB is the best place for those who want to recover it’s just a place where you will be accepted if you choose to do so. It’s unfortunate so few are ready to recover and be able to offer that sense of understanding to others who want to also. CB is not pro one thing or another it’s just real I guess, they just support, if that makes sense. Pro-ana means a lot of different things to different people. CB may be pro-ana to some, but it is not pro-ana in the sense that it wants people to be anorexic as if it were a choice.

    Anyway. We just want this to stop.

  426. the gnome dildo says:

    I am a member of CB.

    I thank you for taking down the picture of a very bright, amazing young woman who is much more than her eating disorder.

    I also am embarrassed by a few of the members of CB. Thinking hard of deleting my account. There are a few of you that have attacked without any evidence. Accounts are being deleted like a witch hunt, and words are being flung around like they couldn’t actual hurt anyone.

    Beth, we hardly knew each other really, but I think you will know who I am. I think you’re a funny, charismatic girl, with good ideals. Maybe you should not have done a few things, but we all do silly things when we’re angry. I also hate being censored, like I think you were in on the board. I believe you have much better things to do with your time than save a ton of pictures and make a site.

    Brianna, You have bothered me quite a bit for a while, I just don’t reply to your posts. I will continue to just not reply.

    The issue of pictures being reproduced have been an issue on the board for a while, I think this is a huge wake up call that if you put your pictures online, anyone can reproduce them! It’s been said over and over.

    P.S. ‘Real girl thinspo’, in my opinion, is the same thing as what faces of pro ana did.

    Oh, and I am not a ‘spy’ for anyone, hell I hardly talk to anyone on the board, I am sure some of you will recognize me, attack me for my words, but please don’t accuse me of actions I have not even fathomed of doing.

  427. Nicaragua says:

    “If you think you’ve never seen any fighting on that board you’re blind as a bat or dumb as a brick or both.
    Or maybe you’re just too busy staring at the thinspo threads to notice the fighting.”

    1. Thanks for your suggestion but my eyesight is pretty near 20/20.
    2. I’m not dumb as a brick either. But that was a nice try.
    3. I spend hardly any time on the thinspo threads. But sure, if you want to believe everyone on there is pro-ana except you, if that’s what makes you happy, go ahead and believe it.

    If you don’t like CB and the way it is run, I don’t see why you don’t just leave.
    Why do you hang around somewhere you hate?

    I like CB and that is why I go there.
    If for any reason I ever stopped liking it, I would not go there anymore. It is pretty much that simple.

    If you want a recovery board there are those. CB never promised to be an all out recovery board, so don’t expect it to be.

  428. Anonymous says:

    Nicola- You said you had never seen any fighting on that board. We both know that’s not true. We ALL know that’s not true. That was all I was pointing out. You’re rather defensive in your reply, though.

    You have all been parading around saying CB is for recovery, it just doesn’t force it down anyone’s throat. That is the point- CB is NOT a place for recovery. It is the OPPOSITE of good for recovery. Don’t claim to be something you’re not.

  429. Nicaragua says:

    I have seen minor tiffs perhaps but certainly nothing as stupid as this. This is just ridiculous, surely you can agree with that.

    And honestly now… am I supposed to not be defensive when I’m called blind and dumb? The only thing I feel I really have going for me is that I’m at least mildly intelligent. People can call me fat and ugly and I cannot disagree but dumb I know I am not. That was a low blow anyway and I’m sure you realise that. There was no need to call me dumb. If all you were doing is pointing out that I was wrong, it wasn’t necessary to rattle on about me like that.

    I didn’t say CB is FOR recovery, but I personally think it helps with recovery. But I was a member of CB for over a year before I even imagined recovering. We all know that as an eating disordered individual you get some stupid comments from people in your life. Like “why don’t you ever eat?” or “why don’t you just eat a sandwich?” – CB is the one place I never got any of that. But at the same time it never lead me to more destructive behavior. And if I felt this was the case I like to think I would have left. It didn’t do any damage that hadn’t already been done, put it that way.

    On the other hand I did learn things about how to keep my health mildly better, even though that does seem paradoxic all things considered. But I learned about electrolytes, enough to know that mine are royally fucked up, so now I drink gatorade to even it out a bit. (this is just one example of course)

    I suppose I cannot say that CB is ‘good’ for recovery, but it is at least ‘neutral’ for recovery. I will say that it is not BAD for recovery because when someone says they are going to recover, they are all very very encouraged. No one would ever say they shouldn’t recover, and I have had these sorts of comments from ‘friends’ in the real world.

    However, you still have not answered my question… if you don’t like CB, why do you stay there?

  430. WannaWannaCB says:

    Request:

    this is how we pray:

    sorry it’s gross to some people and i’m stupid but does anyone have any good pics of very very emaciated women?

    Reply:

    Moonstar

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

    I won’t bother to paste them all here but for these three here but they were of all women that had severe anorexia and are probalay dead this is what CB is about. This is their pro-reality.

    i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/anamakesyoufree/66-1.jpg

    i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/anamakesyoufree/91-1.jpg

    i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/anamakesyoufree/z71393654-1.jpg

    Responses:

    arcane
    Uber Poster

    I do have a folder in my photobucket account, as they are the only type that trigger me, and I have had requests in the past for me to upload them. I’ll send you the link in a PM. I add to it randomly.

    megan
    Emerging Butterfly

    I have some IP pics of me when I was in hospital but I’d only use them as a warning. Maybe some guys here would find them triggering so I’m uncertain whether to post them or not!!

    This is the REAL CB

  431. the gnome dildo says:

    There is no way in hell CB is good for recovery. A ton of members, and former members admit that it is triggering. Don’t be naive.

  432. Nicaragua says:

    That is one topic on CB. And I have never tried to deny that sort of stuff is on there. But it’s your choice to go there and not.

    I’d rather take the good with the bad than not have it at all.

    If ‘a ton of members’ admit that it is triggering than I pose this question once again…. why are you there?

  433. Anonymous says:

    Nicola-
    You said you had never seen any fighting on CB. You did not say “like here” or anything of the sort. You said you had never seen any fighting on CB- something we can ALL recognize as being so very very far from the truth. It means you were either lying, blind, or dumb to say that. That is simply a fact. If you thought anyone would buy your lie, then yes your intelligence is in question.

    Others have repeatedly said CB supports recovery, CB encourages recovery, CB is recovery-minded. We all know that’s another lie. Thinspo doesn’t support recovery. Threads supporting each other in fasting for days. Threads describing which diet pills are best and where to buy them. Threads rating Clenbuterol- an illegal drug. Threads describing which foods are the worst to purge, but how to make it easier to purge them.

    Nicola- if you’re so insistent that CB isn’t bad for recovery, is good or neutral for recovery- please tell me then, Nicola, with all this intelligence you claim to have, how any of that is neutral or anything BUT damaging to recovery.

  434. Anonymous says:

    And Nicola- you know full well it’s not one section.

    It is the thinspo section, yes. It’s also the posts about buying Clenbuterol in the Q&A section. It’s the posts in “meeting yourself halfway” about the foods that are the worst to purge and drinking water just before bed to pee out toxins and fat. It’s the section devoted to fasting buddies. It’s the posts about how great it feels to hit a goal weight in the general section. That is hardly one section.

    However, recovery is confined to one section. One little, little section. No wonder it gets so few posts.

  435. Anonymous says:

    -+transgenocide+-
    Emerging Butterfly

    Bizarre Fast [22/03/08 – 26/03/08]

    I love milk and found myself craving various dairy products this past week (I have been somewhat restricting, see progress thread).

    Anywhom, I am starting a fast which I believe with have benefits which are better than that of a juice fast.

    Basically, all I am allowed to consume is skimmed milk and low cal pop. (I would do it with skimmed, lactose free milk if I could find any).

    The calories/100ml of milk is 35 which is lower that calories/100ml of orange juice, which is my juice fasting drink. OJ contains about 43 cals/100ml.

    Milk is also a good source of protein which I think I am desperately in need of. I am not strong at all and I think the protein my help when I start my weight training (I am starting that the same day).

    I don’t really expect anyone to join in as it is rather a weird fast but it is a very tasty and filling one.

    I think that I will allow myself 1 litre per day, which equals 350 calories per day. It is quite high for a fast. That is my aim not my maximum as I am rather scared of that much calories in liquid form (don’t have a clue why, maybe because less energy is spent on digesting).

    xxxxxx

    Yes pro-reality all the way now…

    killerdoll
    Flying Free

    hmm i like that..
    how’s it going so far?
    i only saw your thread today, otherwise i’d have joined earlier..
    but if your fast is finished tomorrow i’ll just do the one day with you and then on my own..
    maybe i’ll have instead of just milk 2 protein shaked per day, which is 170 cals each. makes 340, so it’s about the same..

    P/S… when you fast YOU DON’t EAT.

  436. Anonymous says:

    Empty, stop casting spells on people.

  437. Nicaragua says:

    I didn’t claim to have “all this intelligence”, but I know I am not stupid.

    Seeing as I have no idea who you are, I cannot say for sure if I’ve ever actually had a discussion with you in my life. But I can say with full confidence that you have no reason that I know of to be so pissed with me at the moment.

    I don’t post about diet pills.
    That post about drinking water is about a year old. And even if people follow it, yeah, drinking water isn’t going to cause you to piss out fat but it’s not going to do any harm, is it?
    I have never gone into the fasting buddies section because I think it’s bullshit. YES, I know there is some questionable stuff on there but like I said, I am happy to take the good stuff from CB and avoid the bad stuff, because I feel it’s better than having nothing at all.
    To be honest I had never heard of Clenbuterol, I never read that topic that I recall and I don’t plan on finding anything out about it. That’s not what I’m there for. If people want to post it, perhaps that is their prerogative. For sure there are things on the board that could change for the better, but it’s better than anywhere else I have found.

    Seeing as you still fail to answer the simple question as to why you are there if you hate it so much, I can only assume it’s because you like having something to complain about. If you thought it was completely without virtue I cannot see why you would continue to visit there so surely you must agree with at least some of what I am saying.

    You say all the bad stuff about CB but neglect to mention any of the truly great stuff on there. I would copy and paste but I don’t feel right posting people’s comments from a once private forum in this public domain of MV’s blog.

    But to be honest, I am over this. I don’t see why I have to keep defending CB because surely you like it at least a bit. You can go there, or you cannot go there. No one has ever forced you to go there and it is what it is. I am happy there and that is what matters for me.

    I’m more than a bit weirded out that all of this shit came out of this one situation, so I’m going to stay at least remotely on topic and say how I feel. I am a young girl. And yes I know that is no excuse for anything I say or do on the internet but I am only 16, I am in my second last year of school. I am in a ‘position of leadership’ in my school, I am supposed to be a role model, whatever I may personally think of that. I am a gymnast and a gymnastics coach. I go to an all girls school, there is already enough stigma about teenage girls and starving themselves, and lord knows there is a big shebang about eating disorders and gymnasts. For this reason I have never mentioned anything about my eating disorder at my gymnastics club, except to my own coach who knows. I coach girls around the ages of 11-13… so I have no idea, perhaps they look these sorts of things up, perhaps they are going to see their own gymnastics coach under the words ‘faces of pro-ana’ and think that it’s an okay thing to do now. I DON’T KNOW what will happen but I can’t see how any good will come of this. I don’t see how their educating anyone with a bunch of people’s faces, who according to most comments don’t even look eating disordered or “quite fat to be honest”.

    That is what I am mostly upset about.

    If people want to shit on CB than go right ahead, I don’t have a problem with it, I still cannot comprehend however why you’re fine with shitting all over it but you clearly still visit there frequently.

  438. Anonymous says:

    Empty: the Goddes of High Wiccan, of High Fat never took a photo in your panties huh…

    WTF is this… someone stab me in the eye…

    Link removed per request email request of individual shown (mamaV 4/1/08)

  439. Anonymous says:

    You say you don’t feel like proving the good stuff on CB, and then you make excuses to be done with this, Nicola.
    You KNOW CB is not good for recovery, that it encourages EDs. Everyone of the members knows. Drop the act already.

  440. Nicaragua says:

    It’s not that I don’t feel like proving it, it’s that I feel it’s wrong to take what people thought they were posting in a private forum, and put it out here for anyone to see.

    I don’t see why not proving the good stuff, and ‘making excuses’ to be done with this are mutually exclusive…?
    besides I don’t see why I should be considered to be ‘making excuses’ to be done with this. I have other things to do than sit around all day listing the ways in with CB is the best thing since sliced bread. I know this stupid FoPA site isn’t going down so bemoaning it all day on the interwebz isn’t going to make it better.

    I do not know of this, I think that is your personal belief. So thank you but I won’t be dropping any ‘act’. Like I said, if I hated CB I would NOT be there. I’m going to give up on asking you why you are because you seem to want to be able to have both sides here… be on CB and yet still bitch about it under the name ‘anonymous’… interesting.

  441. the gnome dildo says:

    I’m there because I want to be.

    I am not recovering at the moment. If I were, I would not be there.

    Now that I have answered that question, since it mattered so much to you, my point still stands that CB is triggering. It’s not a recovery site.

    I am not saying it’s horrible to go to. in my opinion, I am just saying don’t try and dress a site designed to talk about eating disorders, as something more than it is. Call a spade, a spade.

    We are all there for our own reasons, but to get actual help requires a bit more than “karma”.

  442. Anonymous says:

    megan
    Emerging Butterfly

    One of my best friends called me at work today, someone with whom I worked with over 8 years ago and became my ‘adopted’ big sister although she’s younger than me we met at school and se’s very protective f me. She knows all about my anorexia and pro-ana views, and whenever we meet up, she’s never sure what ‘weight’ she’ll find me at.

  443. Anonymous says:

    Nicola- it’s simple. You CAN’T prove it. All I’m asking, if you insist that CB doesn’t actively hinder recovery, is that you offer just one shred of proof. You can’t. It’s that simple.

  444. Nicaragua says:

    Well I’m glad we got that sorted then.

    Like I said in one of my original comments, I don’t see it as a recovery site. Whether or not you think it aids in recovery is a personal opinion.

    And I completely agree that CB is not going to be any sort of substitute for doctors, therapists, etc etc. Of course it is not… we’re just a group of sick individuals.

    But I think it can be a piece of the puzzle. It is nice to get some understanding even if that is over the internet with people you may never meet. I feel more understood than the girls on CB than I did by my doctor, or my psychologist, or my parents, and that is why I think it helps.

    It helps, it doesn’t do the entire job, but it helps.

  445. Anonymous says:

    “I agree the copy and pasting going on is making me sick and whoever is doing this should just leave. No sense in privacy. If we wanted the whole world to see what we are saying then this would be an open forum for all. Not closed and password protected. I have no support or even able to post what I am going through for fear its going to be taken out of context and thrown in my face!”

  446. Nicaragua says:

    “Nicola- it’s simple. You CAN’T prove it. All I’m asking, if you insist that CB doesn’t actively hinder recovery, is that you offer just one shred of proof. You can’t. It’s that simple.”

    Seeing as you are a member of CB, if you look around you will find some great comments on there.
    I could easily post some here but I already stated I feel wrong doing it, so to do it now would be going back against what I have already said.

    That comment, if I recall, from megan… is she or is she not a very new member? I don’t know, I don’t keep entirely up to date with all these things.

    I am pretty sure if she continues to post things about her ‘pro-ana views’ she won’t be on the forum that much longer.

    Other members have been deleted before for posting such things, you know that.

  447. Anonymous says:

    this is how we pray:

    Has someone figured out who was copying and pasting stuff from CB and banned them, yet?

    Not trying to pry, just want to know if I’m safe to move my threads out of archives yet.

    Oh, and thanks so much for all the work you’ve been doing to keep us safe.

    Not safe enough keep praying. Empty when you make your pray make sure you remember NOT to eat the offering of the chicken or goat to the goddess.

  448. Nicaragua says:

    “I agree the copy and pasting going on is making me sick and whoever is doing this should just leave. No sense in privacy. If we wanted the whole world to see what we are saying then this would be an open forum for all. Not closed and password protected. I have no support or even able to post what I am going through for fear its going to be taken out of context and thrown in my face!”

    what in the world is so bad about this comment?
    It seems quite logical to me.
    Or are you just trying to reaffirm this poor persons fears about having their comment copied and pasted on here?

    Either way, I have to go now, real life calls.
    Have fun stealing people’s posts.

  449. Anonymous says:

    Nicola- actually, Megan’s been there for awhile. And yeah, people were pretty sympathetic with her and her pro-ana views. She’s still there.

    And no, actually, I don’t see posts that support recovery. That’s why I asked you to post some- if you can.

  450. Anonymous says:

    ♪ Ezzie ♪
    Ridiculous Poster

    The Best “Diet” Cookie
    « Thread Started on Mar 28, 2008, 17:42 »

    WELL… I had a coupon so I decided to try Weight Watcher’s chocolate chip cookies. 90 calories for one, 2.5 grams of fat – and they are delicious! They’re not too small, they’re actually a normal size (unless you count giant oversized cookies as normal lol). They don’t have a diety taste, I recommend you buying some if you are a cookie-holic. LOL You could eat 2 of them for only 180 cals and 5 grams of fat, which is MUCH less than one normal sized fatty cookie.

    Not Pro-ANA huh….

    from Fatty-Kins… as she is only as EMPTY as the Grand Canyon…

    The heck with “diet” cookies. I used to just buy “cookie dough mix” and eat it mixed with water… No butter, no egg… I know, it sounds gross but.. it isn’t so bad. Besides, I’ve always liked the dough better…hahaha

    But those glory days are over. *sigh*

    http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5499/siggyxk9.th.jpg

    Yes… ^glory days are long gone cookie…

  451. Anonymous says:

    Sorry you need the full view…

    (link removed per user request 4.3.08 mamaV)

  452. Anonymous says:

    There we go… damm imageshack couldn’t take the creature at first…

    (image removed per user request 4.3.08 mamaV)

  453. Ugh says:

    Anonymous, you are a big turd sandwich.

  454. Anonymous says:

    Unimportantloss said: “you are supporting a non CB member, and not supporting the CB members that are being hurt by the non CB member. beth is being a malicious bitch… that doesn’t seem to be a person melting and breaking into a million pieces. you say you understand how i feel then why didnt you step in and stop your friends from hurting me as well as the other CB members? we are your friends too.”

    THAT’S more than a bit two-faced.

    unimportantloss said: “they’ve brought up very personal information about me, saying its my fault i was raped. how do you think i feel?”

    See, you misunderstood, unimportantloss. We never said it was your fault you were raped. We never even thought it.
    What we thought was whether it even counts as rape if you’re willing, or if “rape” is just a convenient excuse when you get caught cheating on your boyfriend.

  455. Anonymous says:

    Sorry you need to see what ANA’s look like 500 pounds and in their panties…

    (link removed per user request via email 4.3.08 mamaV)

  456. Anonymous says:

    Empty lies….

    That is why I hate you…

    I’ve also never posted pictures of myself in lingerie. The most risque thing I’ve ever posted was the outfit that consisted of a corset, low-cut shirt, a skirt, fishnet stockings, and boots, from when I went to Rocky Horror. Those photos are posted on my Myspace, where even my family members can see them – because I’m not ashamed of them.

    As in the words of a Man… WTF is THAT

    (link removed due to request from user via email 4.3.08 mamaV)

  457. Anonymous says:

    ^if you go up further you will see where Empty wrote those very words.

  458. Anonymous says:

    For unimportantloss: It suits you.

    Psycho

    Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy,
    Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy,
    Psycho groupie cocaine crazy,
    Psycho groupie coke,
    Makes you high, makes you hide,
    Makes you really want to go- stop.

    Psycho groupie cocaine crazy
    Psycho groupie coke,
    Makes you high, makes you hide,
    Do you really want to think and stop,
    Stop your eyes from flowing,

    Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy,
    Psycho groupie cocaine crazy,
    Psycho groupie coke,
    Makes you high, makes you hide,
    Makes you really want to go – stop.
    Psycho groupie cocaine crazy
    Psycho groupie coke,
    Makes you high, makes you hide,
    Do you really want to think and stop, Stop your eyes from flowing out

    So you want the world to stop, Stop in and watch your body fully drop,
    From the time you were a Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy,

    So you want to see the show, You really don’t have to be a ho
    From the time you were a Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy.

    Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy,
    Psycho groupie cocaine crazy,
    Psycho groupie coke,
    Makes you high, makes you hide,
    Makes you really want to go – stop.

    Psycho groupie cocaine crazy
    Psycho groupie coke,
    Makes you high, makes you hide,
    Do you really want to think and stop, Stop your eyes from flowing out

    So you want the world to stop, Rushing to watch your spirit fully drop,
    From the time you were a Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy,

    So you want to see the show, You really don’t have to be a ho
    From the time you were a Psycho, groupie, cocaine, crazy.

  459. the gnome dildo says:

    Wow. Is life so bad you feel the need to sit for hours, re-posting posts and slandering a womans picture?

    I know you’re doing it for a reaction, and it’s quite sad I’m giving one to you, but really? This is fair? This is civilized??

    You’ve made a point, but why the name calling, and picture posting?

  460. Anonymous says:

    2468 buddy?
    « Thread Started on Today at 6:21pm »

    ——————————————————————————–
    Hello it’s me. I’ve been gone a long while. I’m currently floudering for some kind of control in my life and the last time I felt amazing was when i was doing 2468. So if anyone would like ot join me, Ill probably be starting tomorrow or the day just let me know!

    -Lala

  461. Amy says:

    This is this is how we pray.

    Just wanted to let you know that I posted that request for thinspo at a very low moment. A lot of bad shit was happening in my life, and I was in hell with my ED. My ED loves thinspo. I think it’s wrong. But when I’m sick I look at it compulsively. I wish I didn’t do this, just as I wish I didn’t purge, binge, or restrict.

    The Faces of P.A. situation made me realize just how horrible it feels to have your photos posted without your knowledge, so I deleted all of my thinspo threads and have committed to no longer posting thinspo. Although I think it’s different than Faces of P.A., as by posting a picture of a skinny girl the only claim you are making about her is that she is thin, and Faces claimed that we were pro-ana (not true of most of us), I do realize now that “real girl thinspo” is sad and a little scary, and I apologize for every posting it or asking for it.

    -Amy

  462. KC says:

    You know what? This is beyond rediculous.
    Nobody is forcing anybody to join/stay on CB. I know for a fact that there are people on there that feel comfortable for the first time in their lives. I for one am attempting recovery, and yes, I still visit CB. But you know what? I avoid places and threads on the board that I think I might find triggering. And its also nice to help others that are going through the same thing I am also. Its not fair of you to accuse people of backstabbing, when you are obviously doing just that yourself.

    We all have the right to choose what information we want to seek out on the internet, there is no denying that. So you too are free to leave a place and the people you obviously hate so much. Stop being negative, stop all this garbage and leave the board if it is causing you so much grief and I, like many others, will choose to stay in a place that I feel comfortable and I hope that people can be mature enough to respect that, and other people in the future.
    After all, this has all started over somebody betraying other people and making false claims about them. This is what matters. Have some respect for the people that find CB a safe haven. Have some respect for those that are not yet ready to recover. If you can do this, play your part, it will make the world just that bit better and I sure hope you can see that.

  463. Anonymous says:

    “If you can do this, play your part, it will make the world just that bit better and I sure hope you can see that.”

    You’re stupid.

    You know what would make the world better? If CB stopped trying to pass itself off as something it isn’t. Give it up already- stop trying to pretend you don’t promote EDs and help your members get and stay sick.

  464. April says:

    Can’t we all just get along???

  465. Anonymous says:

    need some help/advice
    « Thread Started on Today at 8:01pm »

    ——————————————————————————–
    i don’t feel comfortable posting my dilemma though, so anyone willing to help, PM me or my contact info is in my profile. thankys.
    « Last Edit: Today at 8:02pm by UnimportantLoss »

  466. KC says:

    This is beyond rediculous.
    You keep arguing about something that is not neccesary. If you don’t like what is going on there, leave.
    We all have the right to choose. We all choose what information we seek on the internet, there is no denying that. If you don’t like the themes that this CB represents, then leave. That is your right.
    The people that are there also have that choice and nothing you say will change wheather they want to be part or not.
    Its not fair of you to accuse people of backstabbing either, when you are obviously doing just that yourself.

    The real point in the matter is that these young people have been misinterpreted, which is not fair, and if the authors of FoPA had any respect, they would remove these pictures which were aquired through a deceiptful manner.
    I’m sure that at one stage or the other, most of us have posted pics of ourselves on facebook, myspace or somewhere similar and there is no way that somebody should take these and publish them with a false tagline.
    How would you like it if somebody published your picture on a website and claimed that you are a prostitute? This hurts for those girls just as much, I am sure.

    If you have any respect in the slightest, you will leave them alone and get back to the real issue. The only issue you are proving by having a go at personal issues is that you have no respect for anybody. I doubt that they have ever done anything to personally attack you and I think that is in your best interest to walk away.

  467. Anonymous says:

    “I think that is in your best interest to walk away.”

    This as you still insist that CB isn’t pro-ana… so WHY should I believe any thing you have to say? You’re pretty fricking ignorant… as you’ve already shown.

  468. Anonymous says:

    Respect needs to be earned before it is given, no respect was shown to anyone who dared to disagree.

    Paranoia does strange things ever watch the twilight zone?

  469. KC says:

    Tell me where I said that was the case.

  470. Anonymous says:

    So you agree that it is pro-ana.

    finally.

  471. KC says:

    I asked you to tell me where I gave my opinion on CB’s stance.

  472. brianna says:

    anonymous, i already apologized to irishish and alia today… leave me alone.

  473. Anonymous says:

    Well, KC, it’s simple. You objected when I said you still thought CB wasn’t pro-ana… that implies that, actually, you’ve seen the truth.

    And if that isn’t simple enough, saying “these young people have been misinterpreted” when “misinterpreted” refers to calling pro-ana and “these young people” refers to members of the board in discussion pretty much says you think the members of the board (and by extension the board itself) are not pro-ana.

    Can you comprehend that?

  474. Anonymous says:

    Brianna- You think those are the only people you owe apologies to for your ridiculously bitchy comments?

    Like we haven’t all laughed enough at this thread.

    What happened to being a “self-proclaimed sociopath?” Are you saying that the WORDS in this thread bothered you? Because you’re a sociopath, right- nothing matters to you?

    Or because it’s the truth… and that’s a hard thing to argue with.

  475. brianna says:

    i give up

  476. KC says:

    Where exactly did I object?
    As for CB’s stance, “anorexia is a lifestyle, not a disease” is not promoted, and while some threads/sections on there may be questionable, I know for a fact that most, if not all of the people depicted on the FoPA website are sick, and they wouldn’t choose this hell any day.

    As I already said, it is a choice to wheather you go on there or not, nobody is forcing you to so get over it.

    You haven’t been personally attacked on here and there are lots of people that you have without any reason.

  477. KC says:

    I don’t know how you can have a dig at Brianna on here. She’s obviously a better person than you will ever be.
    You are a sick, twisted person that obviously gets off on seeing other people upset.
    I wish you all the best because you need very immediate help.

  478. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Just want to point out that there are only a few of us on here giving CB a ‘bad name’. A lot of people are far too mature to participate in this sort of shit and are letting it pass

    =D
    SOO.. This is not a correct representation of CB.

  479. Anonymous 2 says:

    I think we are getting COMPLETELY off-topic here.

    Frankly, you’re wrong about cb. I believe it is a pro-reality site, and therefore has boards such as “thinspo” and “recovery”. We have both, and we are supportive of each other in whatever path we choose.

    But, whatever. Believe what you like. So, cb is “pro-anorexia”, apparently. That doesn’t mean that the individuals of cb are. And they absolutely do NOT deserve to have their faces plastered all over that site. Answer me this – how would you like it, if your face was plastered all over a site, and you were identified as being pro-anorexia? This could wreck your life, your friendships, your career? You’re living in fear that people you know will come across these photos? How would YOU like it? Just think about that.

    Also, what are you copying and pasting people’s posts for? Really, what do you think that is going to acheive, other than scaring people senseless, and making them feel unsafe in the one place that they could normally relax, and be themselves?

    This is tearing our community apart, and so many are in pain because of this. Don’t be a coward. Admit what you’ve done was wrong, and just take the photos down.

  480. Anonymous 2 says:

    Oh. Another thing. Seeing as you’re avidly reading people’s posts over there, you must know that some butterflies want this case taken to court, and dealt with there. Surely, mamaV, it would be so much easier for you, and your followers, to just delete the link now, rather than having to show your face in court?

  481. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    MamaV won’t be the one in shit… The people who have made the site will be.
    But, there are good arguments as to why this is not slander or anything but this.
    Honestly, all we can do is ask.. As sick people – and I know whoever made this is sick too.. Completely fucked – to take this down. We can’t deal with this..
    And, this could fuck up futures..
    Come ON.
    I mean really, what is this even achievign?

  482. Lauren says:

    CB is as community is different from individuals from CB..
    Ultimately CB is set up as a support forum for people with ED’s, it doesn’t glamourise eating disorders, it does not encourage people to develop them and when people are ready, it provides a place for people to share their journey and offer hope to those who are not ready for it yet. There are no prayers or pledges to “ana”, no thin commandments, ana and mia are not even terms that are allowed onto the boards. “Ana Worshiping” or “glorifying” is not allowed under any circumstances.
    CB as a whole can not be held accountable for the actions of the individuals themselves, there will always be people in any group who break the rules, or ask inappropriate things, but as a whole CB is just a community set up to help people who have already developed ED’s in their lives, whether they are ready for recovery or not. Just because someone is not yet ready to recover does not make them pro ana, or a bad person. It just means that they are just not emotionally ready to start on the hard road full of obstacles ahead, what ever that reason may be. Ultimatley no one can force you to recover, even with professional help, it is something that you need to do for yourself.

    For all of you who are in recovery, or have recovered: You are an inspiration to me. I know just how tough that road is, and its encouraging to know that one day I wont fail, and I will make it out of this alive.

  483. Sad. says:

    Anonymous who is posting all the posts from cb – seriously I think I actually feel sadness for you because you obviously have a lot of shit you need to sort out. If cb isn’t for you – fine, leave. Why do you have to take the world down with you? Don’t you care about ANYONE on the boards? If you did you would leave us alone. Are you so alone that you live off this madness of arguments and threats and hiding your identity? You know if you were on cb and came to us needing help, needing support you would get it – because cb is made up of PEOPLE real people who care about each other and at this point I am so fucking disgusted in what I am reading here that I am just amazed there are people like this in the world that seem to have no idea about what they are doing to others. I’m not going to prattle on about what I think of cb and if it is pro-reality or pro anything. I know I’m a part of a place that I feel comfortable with – the people there. The places that arent for me like the thinspo board – I dont go there!

    Please move on.

    And no matter what I think of people personally the attacks that have been directed on here at individuals are absolutely shameful.

  484. kathleen says:

    This has gotten way out of hand.

    ‘Anonymous’ whatever grudge you’re holding agaisnt CB, it’s time to move on. You can’t let the past control your present. What are you gaining from copying what others have said on CB and reposting them here? How would you feel if others started to say personal things about you and then bashing you for it? You wouldn’t feel so great, would you?

    So please, just move on. Get over whatever it is you’re holding on to.

  485. Anonymous 2 says:

    MamaV won’t be the one in shit… The people who have made the site will be.


    Yes, but by having the link on her site, she is supporting something that, deep down, she must know is wrong.

  486. AEW says:

    ^^ Very true.

    I really wish mamaV would take the link down. Anyone who wants to find the site can google it anyway, it wouldn’t be difficult to find, but as you say she is tacitly supporting it. On the post of her thoughts on video, I asked her honestly if she believed the ‘concerned relative’ guise, but she chose to overlook my post.

    Mreh.

  487. Anonymous says:

    Sad. : “You know if you were on cb and came to us needing help, needing support you would get it”

    Really? I don’t want the support the people on CB give. I’d rather not be called names and suspended for not agreeing with the mods.

    You say CB is pro-reality and has thinspo and recovery… again, which do you think is actually posted in? Do you not see how they two cannot coexist?

    To Anonymous 2- who was that aimed at? Are you trying to address several people at once?

  488. C. Majack Stark says:

    I am copying the message I sent to Faces of Pro-Ana here.

    Dear Faces of Pro-Ana,

    Thank you ever so much for stealing my cousin’s picture from her MySpace page. I can’t tell you what a fantastic and wonderful impact it has made, not only on her life, but on the lives of everyone else you’ve touched so deeply with your site. Some would describe the previous paragraph as “tongue in cheek.”

    By using my cousin’s picture in this manner, you have caused a great deal of real and emotional damage. You claim that you are trying to make a positive impact in your niece’s life, but so far all you’ve done is hurt someone in recovery. I cannot imagine that my cousin is the only one, either.

    Now here’s the fun part. Since you neither asked for nor received permission to use the picture nor to make or distribute copies of it, I believe you have willfully infringed my cousin’s rights under 17 USC § 101, et seq. and could be liable for statutory damages as high as $100,000.

    Please contact me regarding taking her picture off your site immediately. I will be cross posting this comment to every entry, as well as to mamaVISION, and will also be copying Google and Blogger.com to alert them regarding your unethical practices.

    Thank you,

    C. Majack Stark
    majackmail@yahoo.com

  489. Anonymous says:

    hahahahahha…. you are so full of shit. There is nothing that can be done so get over yourself.

  490. missA says:

    I think that some of you are losing sight of the real issue at hand. It does not matter if CB is pro-ana, pro-recovery, or pro-reality. It is what you make of it. What matters if the exploitation of mentally-ill young women.

    For those of you threatening a lawsuit, I ask you this: Have you really thought of what would happen if this were brought to court? You are worried about people you know seeing your photo on FoPA, but do your realize what would happen if this went to the court system? The press would have a field day with this. Your faces would not only be planted all over the internet, it would be all over the news. For the young girls, how do you suppose you would hide this from your parents while trying to sue FoPA?

    I think that this would never make it to the court system anyways. Have you heard the story of the girl who committed suicide after being bullied on myspace? No laws broken, no charges brought against the bully. The girl was thirteen, the bully was an adult. Here is the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22082080
    Hope it works. If not you can google it.

    I’m sorry that this has happened. I just don’t think there is anything anyone can do. MamaV will not take this post down, it is against her policy. I don’t think the person that started FoPA will take that down either. All you can do is try to heal from this and move on.

  491. TheUnseenEye says:

    Anonymous and MamaV, you need to leave them alone. I’m going to tare the veil off of the real reason you’re doing this. It’s not because you want to “expose” them, or show the world people who supposedly support pro-ana. It’s because you’re cowards. You have less of a spine and are more vein than anyone.

    Do you know why? It’s pretty obvious, of ALL of the things in the world that you could have done this to, all of the sites, you chose to attack a message board of people who are defenseless. You’re afraid to post the truth about yourselves; you’re afraid of your “personal information” of your weight and dieting to be known by others. When asked about it, you lie, and you lie because you’re afraid.

    You could have posted up a blog of “Middle-Eastern Terrorists” and posted pictures of Middle Eastern people; or a site on known “sex offenders and rapists” and just posted pictures of people who don’t look like they fit in and are a little strange. At least those people can support themselves; but, you didn’t. Instead, you chose to fuck with the people who have eating disorders, people who hurt themselves because they don’t want to hurt others. People who are alone, and suffering from being alone and isolated.

    What you basically just did, is terrorism in its own respect. You’re destroying a board of people who are alone, and want to find someone else. That makes you no different than any other low life, does it not?

    Tell me, how is pointing your fucking finger at fragile people and saying they’re the reason why another persons mental condition isn’t getting any better a suitable cause? What does it do for society? Nothing. You have proven nothing, accomplished nothing, and will in time earn nothing from this, besides my disgust, and your personal sick pleasure.

    You’re not going to any REAL place to complain about eating disorders, or the women in them, instead you’re posting online because you can’t find real proof in the real world because you don’t want to put the effort out there to actually try to help someone. Instead you want to mock it, and laugh at their suffering.

    Let’s take what we have here into perspective:

    Cerulean Butterfly, a place where people who have a mental illness can go to acquire knowledge about it and discuss with others what’s wrong with them. No, it’s not a clinic, but at least it’s someone else, some other person they can talk to.

    MamaV, who though very intelligent to pull this off, seems to forget to look at what’s under her feet before she puts her foot down. Don’t forget the Earth is where you are, and you’re only mortal like the rest of us. Get off your high horse, you don’t deserve to be there more than anyone else.

    Anonymous, who wants to support MamaV, who thinks she can be a snake in the grass too, do you know what happens to people who follow others blindly? They crash and burn with the ones they follow, thusly deserved, because they served no real purpose.

    A time is coming when they WILL figure out who you are, they WILL prove a point that you’re the one’s who are lying, they WILL figure out why you’re lying, and you WILL be known to the world for what you really are. Reality and inevitability are something you can’t avoid. What will you do then?

    Anonymous and mamaV, I hope your loved ones abandon you and I hope your children are raped before the age of three. Scum like you, are no different than the bastard who will ram his cock into your daughters vagina, absolutely beat the living shit out of her, and watch her bleed to death. Reply to me when you can tell me how it feels to bury your own flesh in blood and you’re alone in the world. Reply to me when you know what you’re attacking before you attack it, let’s see how you fair against destroying those who are as helpless as your once perfectly beautiful angel were your man was on top of her as she lay crying.

    Stupid fuckers like you are the reason why this world will burn before I am seventy. There are real problems in the world, and all you do is sit here making someone else’s life harder, you’re slackers, you don’t try to make anything better, if anything, you want to make it worse, which makes you shit to me, and everyone else in the world. Because you feel like you have nothing left to loose, instead of trying to gain something of value, you try to recruit others into what you believe. Good job you stupid cunts.

  492. Anonymous 2 says:

    Anonymous, this part of my post was aimed at you. Please reply, as I am very curious to what your reasoning must be, if indeed, you are capable of even constructing a reason.

    Frankly, you’re wrong about cb. I believe it is a pro-reality site, and therefore has boards such as “thinspo” and “recovery”. We have both, and we are supportive of each other in whatever path we choose.

    But, whatever. Believe what you like. So, cb is “pro-anorexia”, apparently. That doesn’t mean that the individuals of cb are. And they absolutely do NOT deserve to have their faces plastered all over that site. Answer me this – how would you like it, if your face was plastered all over a site, and you were identified as being pro-anorexia? This could wreck your life, your friendships, your career? You’re living in fear that people you know will come across these photos? How would YOU like it? Just think about that.

    Also, what are you copying and pasting people’s posts for? Really, what do you think that is going to acheive, other than scaring people senseless, and making them feel unsafe in the one place that they could normally relax, and be themselves?

  493. Anonymous 2 says:

    Anonymous and MamaV, you need to leave them alone. I’m going to tare the veil off of the real reason you’re doing this. It’s not because you want to “expose” them, or show the world people who supposedly support pro-ana. It’s because you’re cowards. You have less of a spine and are more vein than anyone.

    Do you know why? It’s pretty obvious, of ALL of the things in the world that you could have done this to, all of the sites, you chose to attack a message board of people who are defenseless. You’re afraid to post the truth about yourselves; you’re afraid of your “personal information” of your weight and dieting to be known by others. When asked about it, you lie, and you lie because you’re afraid.

    You could have posted up a blog of “Middle-Eastern Terrorists” and posted pictures of Middle Eastern people; or a site on known “sex offenders and rapists” and just posted pictures of people who don’t look like they fit in and are a little strange. At least those people can support themselves; but, you didn’t. Instead, you chose to fuck with the people who have eating disorders, people who hurt themselves because they don’t want to hurt others. People who are alone, and suffering from being alone and isolated.

    What you basically just did, is terrorism in its own respect. You’re destroying a board of people who are alone, and want to find someone else. That makes you no different than any other low life, does it not?

    Tell me, how is pointing your fucking finger at fragile people and saying they’re the reason why another persons mental condition isn’t getting any better a suitable cause? What does it do for society? Nothing. You have proven nothing, accomplished nothing, and will in time earn nothing from this, besides my disgust, and your personal sick pleasure.

    You’re not going to any REAL place to complain about eating disorders, or the women in them, instead you’re posting online because you can’t find real proof in the real world because you don’t want to put the effort out there to actually try to help someone. Instead you want to mock it, and laugh at their suffering.

    Let’s take what we have here into perspective:

    Cerulean Butterfly, a place where people who have a mental illness can go to acquire knowledge about it and discuss with others what’s wrong with them. No, it’s not a clinic, but at least it’s someone else, some other person they can talk to.

    MamaV, who though very intelligent to pull this off, seems to forget to look at what’s under her feet before she puts her foot down. Don’t forget the Earth is where you are, and you’re only mortal like the rest of us. Get off your high horse, you don’t deserve to be there more than anyone else.

    Anonymous, who wants to support MamaV, who thinks she can be a snake in the grass too, do you know what happens to people who follow others blindly? They crash and burn with the ones they follow, thusly deserved, because they served no real purpose.

    A time is coming when they WILL figure out who you are, they WILL prove a point that you’re the one’s who are lying, they WILL figure out why you’re lying, and you WILL be known to the world for what you really are. Reality and inevitability are something you can’t avoid. What will you do then?

    I agree with this part of your post, and I hope they’re able to answer this.

    However, the last two paragraphs, to a degree, make you as bad as them. Although your anger is perfectly acceptable, and noone should blame you for that, don’t become like them. Don’t say hurtful things like that, because, unlike them, you are better than that. You’re worth more <3

  494. Anonymous says:

    My Space is a wonderful place… sure you are still gonna sue you worthless cuntfaced bitch

    http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hackzs9.png

    Proof Positive so you tried a virus huh have pro-ana pics on your myspace page….

    C. Majack Stark

  495. Anonymous says:

    Unimportantloss anyone…

    quote: Anonymous and mamaV, I hope your loved ones abandon you and I hope your children are raped before the age of three.

  496. Anonymous says:

    PLEASE READ: my parents found out
    « Thread Started on Today at 4:12am »

    ——————————————————————————–
    My parents now know everything.
    My lies, all the tricks I have used to skip meals, the reason of my problems and the reason why I am getting year after year more alone and lonely.
    You know, they also found out that I write here.
    My boyfriend told them EVERYTHING. I don’t want to seem pathetic and whining but believe in me I feel so bad. You know how much I tried and I am still trying to get out of this shit. I had been in recovery for months and months and when my problems came out again I had promised myself that I wouldn’t ever touched the bottom again. But I am more or less at the same point. I don’t want to destroy myself, I really don’t, but it’s what my parents think now. I have just passed a terrible night, talking with them, and my mom was crying all the time. She begged me to take my life back, my friends, to avoid people and places who can hold me tight to my problems…and probably she was talking about this community too, also if she was not so clear.
    I don’t know what to do, they are right but I don’t know where to start. I was so angry with my bf last night that I had thought about leaving him too, but I am too much in love with him, and also if what he did hurted me so much I recognize it’s a good thing, a good action. probably it was the slap I needed to try, to REALLY try, to live again.
    Please help me, I feel so confused and powerless right now.

  497. Anonymous 2 says:

    Anonymous, do tell.
    What good does copying that post of a poor butterfly who is obviously in pain do? Are you mentally ill?

  498. Anonymous says:

    ALRIGHT. I have a hypothesis….it’s very shoddy and it’s still in the works, but I’m trying to figure this all out just as much as you all are. I looked at the zodiac signs of both mamavision (as stated on her myspace) and this Faces of Pro-Ana blogger are listed as aquarius. Completely stupid point to stand on it’s own, but here’s more…

    There has been repeated cross-referencing between both mamavision’s site and the Faces of Pro-Ana blog. they keep citing each other frequently throughout this whole endeavor. Also, Heather Blessinger (creater of mamavision) found out about the blog surprisingly early–the blog was created on march 26th, at 10:34 in the morning. the next day, barely 24 hours later, heather wrote her first blog about “discovering” the faces of pro-ana bullshit.

    Another point–if you read closely into the actual rhetoric used in both blogs, the writing structure is remarkably similar. personally, i read excerpts from mamavision’s blog and the faces of pro-ana blog aloud to myself…you’ll see the similarities between the two. I don’t know–I have a hunch that mamavision is behind all this, and is trying her best to cover up her tracks by leaving comments under this new blog. Which brings me to my last point — it seems that only posts by mamavision herself, or people who agree with her — are being approved by the original blogger. Suspicious? I think so.

    This is all a real clusterfuck….i know it sounds like a stretch, but I do believe it’s wholy possible that the two are linked.

  499. TheUnseenEye says:

    Unfortunately Anonymous, I’m not Unimportantloss. I am no where on cB, nor on any eating disorder message board. So how does it feel to be attacked by someone in the dark, someone you can’t see or know? You will not find me, try as you might. I am no woman.

    Anonymous 2, I know that I am no different then them when it comes to being lowlives. What separates me from them, is that I am willing to admit it. Though shameless, I do admit it. Because I really don’t give a flying fuck what someone says about me. I’ve never attacked an innocent person, only those who have attacked the innocent suffer me. It does no justification to my cause, but someone’s got to do the dirty work. Being someone like this, I know from experience that people like them aren’t going to change without extreme force, it’s sad, but true.

  500. Anonymous 2 says:

    TheUnseenEye,

    I apologise, I assumed you were someone on cb. And, for us, we really can’t afford to say something like that. Seeing as how you’re not one of us, i apologise, and i won’t get involved in your discussion. My mistake.

  501. Megan says:

    I really don’t know what to say about this. The subject, the comments…

    I’ve been a member of boards for…on and off, at least 6 years now. We are not here to prey on pre-teens. Most of us do not want to see any more members added to our ranks. Eating disorders suck. We’re very VERY upfront about that when any wannabe teenybopper finds her way to the boards and begs to be told how to purge or how to hide starving herself from her parents.

    Responsible boards have rules against detailed descriptions of behaviors to prevent any inadvertent tips being given. Most people who find a home at a board are already suffering, desperate for someone who understands and is not repulsed by their behaviors. They stay for the companionship, not the AnA TiPzz. They stay even after they’ve recovered – which, believe it or not, is a goal for most of us.

    Most of the girls whose pictures are posted on that Faces of Pro Ana site do not deserve this. They were just searching for a way to relieve the shame, even just a little. To feel safe being themselves…even for just a moment. They were not actively recruiting for a starvation jihad.

    They may even have been those 12-year old nieces the people who started this site claim to be protecting.

    The bickering and straight up bitchiness that I’ve seen here is doing NOTHING for this community except reinforcing the belief that we are all psychotic 14-year olds. People obviously read this blog. We don’t need this – this repulsive example, in these comments – to be what people think of. What internet servers think of when societal pressure pushes them to refuse hosting services to the eating disorder sites that aren’t exclusively recovery oriented.

    For the love of god, think before you post. “Anonymous” or not, you’re representing a community.

  502. kris says:

    such meanness. such ugliness is being spewed all over this blog.

    Once again, the REAL enemies are the ed’s, NOT mamaV. remember that.

    Whatever happened to common decency? love for your brothers and sisters in this fight??

    You all have a choice… do you choose the higher road and HELP or lick the gutter and HINDER the fight against this horror disease?

    take your vitriol somewhere else.

    K.

  503. Anonymous says:

    Still trying to hack…

    rach
    Flying Free

    My father could attempt to hack into the site, also. If people want him to, he will. But if you’d rather he didn’t, and we attempted that the pictures come down another way, then that’s okay. I’m just making a suggestion, as it seems that they’re not going to see sense.

    arcane
    Uber Poster

    rach, I, for one, would want him to try. If I was still in contact some really awesome hackers I was friends with I would have had them on it the moment I found out (one I’m sure could crack blogger, he’s cracked into simular places/places with more protection). Unfortunatly I doubt they will come down any other way. Blogger seems pretty resistant, and whoever posted it won’t. Fuck, hacking it, they’ll probably but it up again/someplace else, but I figure like most spite places it will be forgotten after awhile.

    rach
    Flying Free

    Okay, i’ll see what he can do?
    Thing is – we have been warned that this is illegal, and we could be sued for it. We’ve just got to weigh up our chances, i guess.

    My dad and I would be prepared to do it, if it could help you all, and that’s what you wanted, despite the whole illegal risk side of it. So, surely, if my dad and i take responsibility for it, cb can’t get into trouble. I just want to make 100% sure of this before i get him to do it.

    lexi452
    Uber Poster

    But if you hack into the site and delete the pictures or whatever…they still have them saved somewhere else….right? What would stop them from just starting up another site and adding all our pictures again?

    IWantToBeThin
    Uber Poster

    Im with getting those pictures off quickly and swiftly but i just can’t help thinking that what we are discussing here, who ever is behind all this….is reading exactly what we’re planning…

    Maybe im being paranoid too but if they were logged in to grab the photos they could be logged in to read all this.

    Sorry, what do i know? *not point fingers at butterflies here*
    Do you get my drift?

    Other than that im with the suggestions above

    my my…. yes… point at the butterflies.

  504. Anonymous Caring says:

    I am not, nor have I ever been a member of the Cerulean Butterfly forums. I have been to the “Faces of Pro Ana” site and read through the comments on here and I am absolutely appalled for reasons that I cannot adequately articulate at this time.

    I would sincerely like to do something to help those of you who have had your pictures stolen and lies written about you. Obviously there is nothing I can do about the “Faces of Pro Ana” site and it does seem that whether you like it or not your images are going to remain on that site (at least for now), what I can do; however, is to create a site (I’m thinking of entitling it “Faces of Pro Ana: The Truth”) and give you the opportunity to tell your side of the story.

    If any of you are interested in being part of this you can email me at clryls@yahoo.com.au. Please include the picture that was posted on the original “Faces of Pro Ana” site as well as a short written piece including your ED history, whether or not you are in Recovery now, why you do not consider yourself to be “Pro Ana”, how being included on such a site has impacted on your emotional (and possibly physical) health and any other comments or observations you wish to make regarding this subject.

    Kindest Regards

    someone who cares.

  505. kathleen says:

    ‘Anonymous’, you continue to ignore the questions that are asked of you. What do you gain from reposting posts of all these butterflies? Who are you trying to impress here? From reading the last few comments, no one here likes you. We can all read, there’s no reason in reposting them, as we’ve basically all see them anyway. So, stop being immature, grow up, and move on. [:

  506. The Divine says:

    If anyone is talking about me, I have repeatedly stated that I deleted my account.

    I think that this is a very accurate depiction of CB. Not everything on that site is what it appears to be. I think you put too much faith and trust into a forum.

  507. Irishish says:

    Hey everyone…

    MY turn.

    Anonymous, I see what you are trying to do. I know what you are pointing out, and I agree… it’s wrong. Hell, that’s why I originally left CB.

    I know you want to make your point and that’s fine by me. More than fine actually… I am glad to know that I’m not alone in my feelings. I do think that the personal attacks should be left out. It’s making ME uncomfortable and I can’t help but feel that it’s ruining the point that you are trying to make.

    To the others from CB…
    I do partly feel as though you deserve this. I’m sorry, I can’t help it. It feels like crap to be talked about like this, believe me I know. I’m asking you to stop as well. They have a valid point whether you want to admit it or not.

  508. Anonymous 2 says:

    Irishish, don’t say “sorry” when you obviously don’t mean it. That’s utter bs.

    Noone deserves something like this – not one of those butterflies. Get over yourself.

  509. Anonymous says:

    Exactly I will stop the personal attacks or ripping from their board. But it will not change my opinion, personally this morning I would of left it alone with just a laugh at them claiming that they could sue, until i read that someone who ever it was from that forum wished my child to be raped before they were even three years old.

    It cuts both ways, I stooped low and they stooped lower than low to wish rape upon anyone. For now I will stop, let the hypocracy continue over at CB, they will continue with blinders on for all to see as it has been proven here over and over again.

    The End

  510. Anonymous 2 says:

    Anonymous, if you could read, you would realise that it wasn’t a butterfly that posted that, they said so themselves.

  511. Irishish says:

    anonymous 2:
    That’s crap. Don’t act like you actually know me and don’t attack me for being civil.

  512. Amy says:

    Anon. Caring –

    Emailed you. Thanks for the support and excellent idea.

    -Amy

  513. The Divine says:

    “someone who ever it was from that forum wished my child to be raped before they were even three years old.”

    Wow…..

    Just….wow….

    I hope you people are proud of yourselves.

  514. Anonymous says:

    Anonymous 2

    I don’t care who posted it… and please stop calling them butterflies they are people not some fairy creatures. Also, whomever did post it is a friend no one else would get involved in this on such a personal level like that remember that dear. Your stupid board oh wait you aren’t a member that stupid board is only vastly popular in the megolomanina minds of its members.

  515. Anonymous 2 says:

    That’s crap. Don’t act like you actually know me and don’t attack me for being civil.

    They do not deserve it. And you don’t act at all sorry.

  516. Anonymous 2 says:

    Anonymous, they clearly stated that they were not a member of the board, and they also implied that they didn’t know anyone from cb, either.

    Also, we do not claim that cb is popular – it’s a forum on the internet, with only about 650 members, so it obviously isn’t a hugely well-known and popular board.

  517. The Divine says:

    Anonymous 2:

    I don’t think that you are in any position to tell anyone how they feel.

  518. Anonymous says:

    Anonymous 2

    I call bullshit… OK… please don’t lie. Lies only serve one purpose…

  519. Anonymous 2 says:

    TheDivine, I have already corrected myself, to say that she simply isn’t acting as though she is sorry for her words and actions.

  520. The Divine says:

    Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t CB featured in Time?

    CB grows like crazy. They accept members by about 4-5 a day though but they have MANY applicants.

  521. Irishish says:

    Don’t presume to know how I act.

    I can be sorry that I feel something is deserved. I can feel this way because I have been the one attacked for a year now, and while I feel terrible for those on CB who have been hurt by this and do not deserve I do feel that there are many who do.

    I can be sorry that this thread has degraded to this, I can be sorry that I let you all get to me, and I can be sorry in taking a little pleasure knowing that you are finally hurting in a similar way that I once did. You don’t know me and you never will. The only people that do are my real life friends… Serenity is one of them.

  522. Anonymous says:

    Anonymous 2

    Who are you to say if she means what she has said… you don’t even know her, she does have something called a conscience unlike some sociopathic members of CB.

  523. Anonymous 2 says:

    I call bullshit… OK… please don’t lie. Lies only serve one purpose…

    I see no lie in what I posted. I wish you could be honest about who you are on cb, and stop being such a terrible coward.

  524. Anonymous 2 says:

    I really believe that a person who takes pleasure in anothers pain, for whatever reason, needs serious help. I’m sorry cb obviously couldn’t give you that, but I do hope you will find it in the future, and grow to be a better person.

  525. Anonymous says:

    Lie one:

    Also, we do not claim that cb is popular – it’s a forum on the internet, with only about 650 members, so it obviously isn’t a hugely well-known and popular board.

    You are forever going on and on about it being featured in Time and think you are so important that the media would get invovled in a eblogger.
    squabble.

    Paranoia is much eaiser under the guise of anominity, there are so many two-faces on there go ahead try and figure it out, you can’t and won’t no matter how much you try to hack find and ISP, etc.

  526. Irishish says:

    A2…

    I never said it was right did I? I was simply being honest…

  527. Anonymous 2 says:

    Paranoia is much eaiser under the guise of anominity.
    ———–
    Yup, a coward.

    We’re proud that cb was featured in Time – it’s something that is important to us, and we feel good about cb because of it. We are allowed to boast about our successes among ourselves, there is nothing wrong with that.

  528. Anonymous 2 says:

    A2…

    I never said it was right did I? I was simply being honest…

    And thank you for your honesty, I was being completely serious when I said that I hoped you found the help you need.

  529. Irishish says:

    Wanna pay for it?

  530. Anonymous says:

    We’re proud that cb was featured in Time – it’s something that is important to us, and we feel good about cb because of it. We are allowed to boast about our successes among ourselves, there is nothing wrong with that.

    Proud… to be shown for the wannarexics you all are finally admiting PRO-ANA and PROUD. Go you…

  531. The Divine says:

    So CB was featured in Time….once….the only way I even found out about it was on CB anyway.

    How is being featured in Time a success to you?

  532. The Divine says:

    You say you are proud to be featured in Time…

    You are proud to bring attention to yourselves? Then, you want everyone on CB to be private.

    You brought attention to yourselves and got people to go on there and make fun of you and hassle you.

    You are proud to be featured in Time but now that you’re featured on here and the other blog in a negative light, you are angry?

  533. Anonymous 2 says:

    I only found out we were in the Time recently. I assumed it was for something good. I was obviously mistaken, and therefore take back what i said. I made a mistake.

  534. The Divine says:

    *everything.

  535. Anonymous says:

    Starvation on the Web

    Click on “disclaimer” on the website ceruleanbutterfly.com and instead of the standard fine-print legalese, you get a rant. “If you don’t have an eating disorder,” it says at one point, “I wonder what the bloody hell you’re doing here. If you’ve come to yell at us, please realize that it’s pointless–we’re going to ignore your point of view just as you ignore ours.”

    The creator of Cerulean Butterfly–one of some 500 websites that deal frankly and sometimes approvingly with anorexia and other eating disorders– is an intelligent, articulate 19-year-old San Francisco college student who asked to be called only Lizzy. Treated at the Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital in Palo Alto, Calif., Lizzy has been anorexic since 2002 and is quite candid about her belief that an eating disorder is less a disease than a lifestyle choice–a “decision to pursue perfection.” In March 2004 that pursuit landed Lizzy in the hospital, her weight having dropped to 88 lbs. and her heart rate to 45 beats a minute. “[I] was surrounded by the skinniest people I had ever seen,” she wrote on her site. “Can we say ‘envy’?”

    Welcome to the underground world of pro-ana (ana, short for anorexia, the quest for thinness through starvation) and pro-mia (for bulimia, a related condition characterized by bingeing and purging) websites, weblogs and message boards, where people with eating disorders gather for support and companionship. On pro-ana sites, girls as young as 10 share tips for losing weight (purge in the shower to cover up the sound), tricks for hiding the signs of malnutrition (use nail-growth polish to keep nails from becoming brittle) and “thinspiration” (like photographs of bony fashion models).

    Nobody knows for certain how many of the estimated 11 million Americans suffering from anorexia or bulimia visit those websites. Lizzy says hers, which has been online since 2003, has logged more than 85,000 hits, and a survey last May of adolescent anorexics and their parents conducted by researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine found that 39% of the kids were visiting pro-ana forums. “Clearly, these sites serve a need for our patients, because they spend an extraordinary amount of time and energy creating and visiting them,” says Dr. Rebecka Peebles, an eating-disorder specialist at Packard Children’s who co-wrote the report with student Jenny Wilson.

    The adolescents in Peebles’ and Wilson’s study who entered pro-ana websites tended to do so without their parents’ knowledge and, compared with their peers who didn’t visit the sites, to spend less time on homework, more time on the Internet and more time in the hospital. But the study did not find major differences in body weight, duration of eating disorders, number of missed periods or bone density between anorexics who visited the sites and those who didn’t. Lizzy says the mission of her website is to provide support for people who already have eating disorders, not to encourage or promote self-destructive behavior. “The term pro-ana I think is widely misunderstood and misused,” she says. “Most people hear the phrase and immediately think that we’re ringing bells on a corner somewhere in cyberspace, wearing sandwich boards that say ANOREXIA IS AWESOME and handing out pamphlets.”

    In fact, like many visitors to pro-ana sites, Lizzy is ambivalent about her “lifestyle choice.” “It’s a living hell,” she says, adding that nothing makes her sadder than healthy young girls entering her site to learn how to starve themselves.

    But it’s that kind of visit that parents and doctors fear most. Julia Mann, 16, a twelfth- grader in New York who battled anorexia two years ago, says she was lured in by pro-ana websites. “Before, eating disorders started with a diet that spiraled out of control,” says Mann, who is researching the effects of such sites for her school science project. “Now it’s like, ‘I can learn to be anorexic from the Internet.'”

    Indeed, for many girls who are struggling with low self-esteem and a negative self-image, the sites can be especially seductive. “Had I not gone to the sites, my weight definitely wouldn’t have dropped as low as it did,” says Mann, whose 5-ft. 7-in. frame bottomed out at 100 lbs. “The pro-ana sites provide a world that’s comforting.”

    Dr. Richard Kreipe, director of adolescent medicine at the University of Rochester, says it is that sense of belonging that draws many teens to the websites and blogs. If there’s one thing teens respond to, it’s the rallying voices of other teens, something lacking on sites dedicated to recovery. “Pro-ana sites are much more sophisticated,” Dr. Kreipe says.

    Whether more inspiring pro-recovery sites could reach teens like Lizzy is an open question. “The anorexic voice inside my head,” Lizzy says, “seems to be winning.”

    Note: Of course the site has changes since then BUT only so they were not shut down…

    and NO your apology is NOT accepted AN2

  536. rach says:

    It was pointed out to me, that by calling myself “anonymous 2”, i was being as cowardly as you are, hence the change in my name.

    I made a mistake about the article – big deal. I obviously didn’t mean that we are pro-ana in any way, shape or form. Again, I insist that this isn’t what cb was about.

    I’m going to go. You may continue to believe that you are right, it is obvious that you are incapable of listening to reason, or sense, for which i pity you. I strongly believe in karma, and you will probably be hurt in a similar way, also, soon enough.

  537. The Divine says:

    I hope we’re talking about spiritual karma and not proboards karma….

    :)!

    ——-

    Rach/a2:
    The point we’re making is maybe you should educate yourself before you run your mouth about things. You are blindly supporting this forum. No one is going to take you seriously with what you are saying.

  538. anotheranonymous says:

    just came back from reading time. someone had posted it here. very creative. time for all to admit truth. CB is pro-ana. no wonder all you “butterflies” are getting so defensive. now more negative attention has been sent your way.

  539. Irishish says:

    I don’t think i remember that username… oh well.

  540. Anonymous says:

    Ahh Rach… even better now we know who to contact when someone gets hacked by your daddy.

  541. Anonymous says:

    I will give you some clues to who I am…

    I am not from the land down under but very close to it…

    I had dorm mate who though I was secertly attarcted to her to the point I had to move out.

    Oh and I am working very hard to find the culpirt and as soon as I know you will all get a mass PM.

  542. The Divine says:

    I have an idea but I won’t say anything as to who you are.

  543. Anonymous says:

    Oh by the way Rach why do you lie about your age on MySpace, I could report you for TOS violations…

  544. brianna says:

    anonymous, as a christian, i dont think God would be happy about what you are doing.

  545. anonymous24 says:

    does this look familiar to anyone?

    (link removed per request of user 4.3.08 mamaV)

  546. Anonymous says:

    Actually God has nothing to do with this at all, in fact God would be upset in misusing the body he gave to you .

  547. Lauren says:

    It hurts more than anything to think a trusted member of staff could do something. You see the pain and suffering on the boards, you know the personal and intimate details of our lives and you still choose to kick us when where down.

    You can choose the actions you take and the words you say but we do not choose to suffer from a serious mental illness.

    I would like to believe that you are an admirable person, who is just acting out through your own pain and suffering, and I sincerely hope that what ever hurt or injustice you feel has been inflicted on you can be resolved. Please stop hurting people who are already hurting. I know that you have been personally attacked on this board but that doesn’t mean you have to continue the hatred. Rise above it, be the “better person” and move on.

    Essentially this thread will achieve nothing more than getting a little attention in the online ED community (not CB but the net as a whole), but the hurt and the pain felt by ALL involved will continue for much longer than the existance of this blog.

    If I myself have cause any hurt or offense in my posting, I whole heartedly apologise.

  548. Irishish says:

    does this look familiar to anyone?

    (link removed per request of user 4.3.08 mamaV)

    The individual in the above picture has been staying out of this entire matter. You would be wise to remove it.

  549. Anonymous says:

    I agree she has stayed out of this it is not her.

  550. Irishish says:

    Anonymous do you know the person in that picture?

  551. Anonymous says:

    Yes I do know both of you.

  552. Irishish says:

    up above I have a spam email…

    whoisdivine@live.com I think… send me a message there..

  553. Anonymous says:

    alright sent…

  554. Anonymous says:

    Its me

  555. Serenity says:

    (link removed per request of user 4.3.08 mamaV)

    I agree….you should learn to leave out the people who are not even involved. You would be wise not to go piss off her friends when she has not even said anything to you….

    I have stayed away from this post, from this whole faces of pro ana crap because I was afraid of what it would it would do to me. I get angry when I see pictures being posted as faces of pro-ana…when these pictures are actually of people who are against pro-ana. Pro anas see anorexia as a lifestyle…there are pictures being posted of people who are truly trying to fight this disease. Just because they have a face to put to their name does not make them pro ana anything. Many of them you will find do not give tips, do not try to tell you that they chose to live this way. They fight this day in and day out. They are trying to find a way to get by with what they have because the health system in most of the world will not help those of us who want to fight our eating disorders no matter how hard we try to make them. They don’t want to pay for it. So go take all this anorexia kills crap and send it to your senators, governors, prime ministers, or whoever else is in charge of the health system. And no I did not bother to read through every post here because I don’t really care who has what to say about who did this and who did that and who is more crazy than who. Whoever posted these pictures and is trying to defile the names of people just because they have a disease, they are the sick and twisted ones and we are letting them win. We have rights and it is our right to fight out disease. We have a right to have support from others who understand the fight we have to face, because no one, and I mean no one, can beat this disease without some one else who understands to talk to and listen to them and sometimes get them through the periods where they would rather die than go on fighting. Now would you all please look around…we are all fighting to get rid of something we all hate…that something has a name. Anorexia, Bulimia, EDNOS, Compulsive Overeating, Binge Eating Disorder…the list goes on and they are all eating disorders and they all kill. SO before we decide to chop each other to pieces why not remember we are here to fight the same thing. And we can not let it win. I will not let it take anymore of what it has taken of my life and I know there are a good many more people here who feel the same way I do. This has gone far enough. We need to stay united against our common enemies and quit allowing sites like FOPA win in making us fight each other.

    I am sorry if I am out of line in any of this because as I said I did not and will not read into all the posts that have been made here. I am basing this reply off of what I have heard of this particular blogs uprising and the pain it is causing so many people.

    The twisted person behind this wanted to put a face to our disease and say we were pro ana, but the truth is they are still hiding their face and laughing at the torment they are causing. Why give them more to have fun with by fighting anymore? They are the cowards hiding behind a blog with no face to be seen. They are the ones that are scared of letting things be known about who they are because they know it takes a sick person to do what they have done…and to some degree they are either a sociopath or they are seriously so ashamed of what they are doing that they can’t show who they really are.

    Thats all I have to say to all of this….

    and for those of you here who can’t even give your name…well…you can join the coward that started this mess…because I am not afraid of saying who I am. I am not afraid to fight my anorexia and that means I am not afraid to fight some coward behind a computer screen…I guarantee that my anorexia is a scarier monster than you can ever be.

  556. Anonymous says:

    We all know who that is. Duh

  557. Jo says:

    Right. Earth to idiot- well done in outing yourself as an American, nobody in the Southern Hemisphere lives in a “dorm”, we call them “halls of residence.” Nobody would have any idea what you were talking about if you said that down here.

    Second- Australia is “Down Under,” capitalised, not the “land down under.”

    Finally- who the hell would use an elipsis (elipsis= …) at the end of implied bullet points? Whoever you are, well done for never being educated.

    If you want to attack someone, at least get your facts straight. Way to make yourself look stupid.

  558. Serenity says:

    Quite the cryptic response Anonymous…so why don’t you share who you are…or are you the coward behind it all?

  559. Irishish says:

    ” Anonymous
    April 1, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    We all know who that is. Duh”

    Okay that’s not the same anonymous as before… I’m emailing with the one who has posted the quotes…

  560. Anonymous7 says:

    This all needs to stop and the person who started all of this needs to crawl back into the hole they came from.

  561. Jo says:

    Oh- and if you even wanted to pretend to be from somewhere vaguely outside of the US, you shouldn’t be posting at times at which nobody in their right mind in NZ, Australia, wherever, would be awake.

    Seriously- if you were smart enough to save the pictures, you think you’d have the sense to once again, get your facts straight.

    Well, finding you won’t be hard now, as clearly, you’re way, way dumber than any of us anticipated.

  562. Anonymous says:

    Yes, that was not I and to this Jo person, I didn’t write that either guess there are alot of Anoymous people who don’t like the butterflies.

    My personal guess and secondly no, I am most certainly not behing the FoPA site.

  563. Anonymous7 says:

    21 people on and one is the spy.

  564. Anonymous says:

    Who has to pretend anything? Really now get over yourself all of you.

  565. Anonymous7 says:

    Anonymous
    is retarded and licks her balls.

  566. Anonymous7 says:

    she is lonely, hurt, and nobody wants her.

  567. Anonymous says:

    How many times do I have to say that there are several different people using the same ID.

  568. The Divine says:

    Does it really matter if Anonymous coughs up a name? If so, what makes you think they are who they say they are?

  569. Jo says:

    Very true. Anyone could post as “anonymous,” pretend they were the person behind this and even go as far as to say “yes, it was me, I’m .”

    To Mama- is there any way of differentiating between people using that display name? It would make it much easier to know which is who, and who’s just randomly jumping in and making personal (albeit ridiculous and badly thought through) attacks.

  570. brianna says:

    jo, yes there is. they would be using different emails. but we all know mamav wont reveal that

  571. Anonymous says:

    Jo,

    I understand you are hurt so you point at a person’s diction, but it’s the internet who cares how I write I certainly don’t its of no importance the point was made bad diction or not per se, (but than most people do attack a persons diction when there is nothing else to attack), those were not bullet statements simple facts that a girl was so petrified of you she could not bare to be in the same house with you or whatever you call it in New Zealand I really don’t care.

    You don’t have a thing on me I am running wild and running free. You can’t find me I am not hiding, and I am not behind Faces of Pro Ana, you are wasting your time with me that I can assure you in finding your “proof”.

  572. Anonymous says:

    ^ I did not write that message, whoever is posting with the same name please change it, I am getting blamed I am sure for things I am not writing.

  573. The Divine says:

    I don’t understand why you were trying to make people believe you were Jo.

    Are you just trying to start more personal attacks on people? NO ONE deserves to be personally attacked….especially not here.

  574. Anonymous says:

    I don’t know why either, now I am getting blamed for something I didn’t do, which sucks but such is life.

  575. The Divine says:

    Now I’m getting very confused…

  576. Anonymous says:

    There are at least TWO people posting as Anonymous and I am not the one posting about this Jo person.

  577. Jo says:

    Yes, I understand it’s different people- I wasn’t talking to anyone but the person who made that post.

  578. KC says:

    When did you start posting?
    This other person has been posting for days. So you are not the one that has been pasting quotes?

  579. The Divine says:

    Same here. I was talking to the one who was trying to make us believe it was Jo.

  580. The Divine says:

    There are a lot of weird things going on now.

    -Anonymous was asked days ago if she was Jo and ignored the question.

    -Just now Jo has started posting.

    -Someone was trying to make us believe it was Jo.

    -Jo can only post at school unless she gets her hands on another computer because hers is broken.

  581. Jo says:

    My laptop is back now- I got it back last night. Not exactly the most fun way to get back online properly, having to deal with all this crap.

    I really appreciate my friend (I assume she’s reading this) pointing me to what was said as soon as she knew I could get back online regularly, as it gave me a chance to speak for myself- I reckon that’s important, hence why I have no issue posting under my own name (not trying to knock people who want to keep their privacy).

    This really is getting ridiculous, people trying to make each other look bad by using the same display name as someone else. To the people this has happened to- I’m sorry, it’s not good being made out to do things you haven’t.

  582. AnonymousKel says:

    No. I didn’t copy nor paste nor write anything about Jo, I mearly started by repsonding to a post that called someone unchristain and also in response to Irishish question on if I knew her and the girl in the picture.

    Perhaps I should of used another name, but I saw unchristian and was hesistant to use my real name. Which happens to be Kelly by the way.

  583. The Divine says:

    Well, it is good that you are able to speak out in your own defense now.

  584. Ugh says:

    Anonymous, are you one of the Illuminati? Are you actually written by Dan Brown?

    “Running wild and free…” Seriously! You’re hilarious!! Some of the things you say are priceless!! Classic, knee-slapping brilliance.

    You are so creepy and weird. You’re a good read, though. Like a character from Harry Potter on crack. It’s great!!!

  585. L says:

    Frankie ?

  586. Irishish says:

    Kelly! *hugs* email me if you need to… I’ll give you my msn

  587. AnonymousKel says:

    Hey girl how are you!!! Crazy place here, I only popped in cause of the pic of our friend. I hope that they take it down.

  588. KC says:

    LMAO..this is crazy.
    Sorry Kel, was just trying to clarify as this other “anonymous” has been posting for days. Wasn’t blaming you for anything, just trying to ease the confusion.

  589. The Divine says:

    XD, it’s not easing my confusion. I’m more confused now than I was before.

    Anonymous Kel: Are you Bubby Duck Kel or someone else?

  590. The Divine says:

    Kel: Nevermind.

  591. Anonymous says:

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  592. The Divine says:

    Wow……

  593. Irishish says:

    No lol she’s a friend named kelly from a recovery group I’m in.

  594. AnonymousKel says:

    KC: Its Okay I only showed up here because of a picture of a friend of mine is all.

    And no my name is only Kelly.

  595. Bee says:

    I think this has gone on too long and caused too much pain, i haven’t posted before and so some of things i say may have been said already, this is my perception of the situation.

    To a point the “thinspiration” regarding the use of other ED sufferers is ethically wrong, criticising members of CB of doing this by doing the same thing against them is such a childish act, that you would teach a ten year old not to do.

    If someone has a problem with another member of the forum, why assume it is reasonable to hurt others from the site who may not have any association with you. For example, I’m disgusted at how Nazi Germans treated Jewish people, but that doesn’t justify me sweeping through Germany and killing them because of what their previous governments/rulers did. Thats not the right thing to do, not all Germans were anti-Jewish.

    If you have a personal dispute with another person, do as any decent person would and sort it out between yourselves, over the phone, by email or the PM system, no need to punish others.

    There is a particular person here who is criticising others because they are part of the CB forum, and if you too are part of that forum, what gives you the right to torment them, when there must be a reason why you too are a member, you are having a go at people who suffer the same illness as you (provided you are actually on the forum for a genuine reason).

    I’m sure there are areas of CB that do have a pro-ana focus, but that doesn’t necessarily mean all 650 members or so, visit this area and agree with it.

    While an online forum is never going to be the sole source of someone recovering from their ED, it sure beats trying to deal with it by yourself when you cant have a civil conversation with family, medical professionals, friends, teachers etc, because you fell they may not take you serious or you may not trust them with complete confidentiality. Forums are great in the way that allow many people with the same views, opinions and beliefs, the other members are your support when you cant rely on the above mentioned people.

    While some people choose to remain a part of a forum after recovery in CB’s case or perhaps they are part of a forums for people who own Toyota’s (car brand for those without knowledge, what happens if they sell their Toyota and buy a Mazda? they can choose to stay and provide help and support by way of what they had learnt from their Toyota or they can say goodbyes and find another suitable forum; a Mazda forum). It wouldn’t be acceptable for them to remain at the toyota site and tell everyone how much better their new car is and put everyone else down, any half decent person would know this. Bit off topic, but i hope it makes sense.

    To those who feel disrespected, mistreated, cheated etc, in a way this has to be a lesson to not disclose everything even within a private community because there is a small chance that their is a squealer/wolf amongst the sheep. I understand that you should be able to delve into your deepest of problems and thoughts, but just think about whether what you say may be able to put back against you and do damage, just be wise and careful. Stay calm and don’t do anything stupid that may be detrimental to your life or health, it will be hard to comprehend whats right and wrong while your mind is so cloudy, don’t do something that you wouldn’t do when your mind is clear.

    I personally do not suffer from an eating disorder, but i do have medical conditions that i have to live with everyday, i cant associate on an ED sufferer level but i can on the level of fighting against your problems on a daily basis. If anyone has a problem with anything i have had to say, reply back, address the problem and we can got from there, if anyone would like to talk regarding support etc let me know also, i will set up an email address and help with anything i can.

    I hold the health and well being of the people who suffer from EDs as the most important issue to me, their are enough cases of illnesses, we need to address these cases not use them as a weak point to attack people.

    Stay strong OR grow up (the one you choose will reflect your point of view on this situation)

    And butterflies just remember, no matter how much someone tries to deny you….you are all beautiful people, you dont deserve any less respect than the next person.

    Bee.

  596. KC says:

    Bee…are you Lunabee or ?

  597. Bee says:

    No KC, i am not, nor have i ever been a member of CB, i am just over viewing the problem at hand as an independent individual.

  598. the gnome dildo says:

    600th post. I’m bored and tired.

  599. KittyKat =^.^= says:

    all this is unbelievable. im at a loss for words.

  600. the gnome dildo says:

    ^It’s ok, a lot of this is human nature. We just finally had a chance to hide behind a mask and speak our minds, for once.

    Opinions flow out so much harsher when you’re able to hide.

  601. The Divine says:

    I really don’t mind all too much that people are hiding behind another username to speak up about CB because they don’t have to fear being deleted, suspended or messed with.

    The only time I have a problem with people hiding behind another name is when they are personally attacking people.

  602. KittyKat =^.^= says:

    I agree … though members wouldn’t be deleted or suspended just for stating their opinions about CB. We welcome all opinions, as long as they are given in a respectful manner. We only delete/suspend if one chooses to carry out personal attacks (Anonymous, I’m talking to YOU)

    I won’t use an anonymous username….that just takes all the fun out of it.

  603. Paige says:

    Hey Anonymous, (the one cutting and pasting all the CB posts) too bad you’re such a dumb, ignorant fuck, and will never amount to anything. Although some of your comments are slightly amusing, they’re getting old, and you need to move on. Knock your shit off and grow-up. Everyone is over you and your power trippin’ ways. *karma* lol dip-shit!

  604. The Divine says:

    Kat, I’m sure you wouldn’t delete them but some other moderators may. I’m not going to single any out or name names either.

    Also, other members may start to hassle members who decide to speak up about CB.

    However, c/ping posts from CB and personally attacking people while not showing who you are is just cowardly. If you are going to attack people at least them know who to shoot fire at in return.

  605. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    No, I’m pretty sure they’re all mature enough to carry this out in a responsible manner.
    We’ve had peopel not liking mods before and being dicks abotu it but no one was suspended..
    Sometimes people just clash.. THAT’S COOL.
    What isn’t is downright insulting one person in particular, spreading their private shit and making false alegations.

  606. The Divine says:

    No one has been deleted, suspended, hassled, had posts removed that YOU know of. Just because you have never heard of it happening doesn’t mean it hasn’t.

  607. The Divine says:

    And, they are doing a great job of showing that they cannot maturely discuss a subject such as this.

  608. rach says:

    I’ve just returned and read through, with sheer amazement, that anonymous claimed that “Jo” was her … Out of all the members of cb, there are only a few that i feel i can now trust 100%, because of you – but Jo is one of them. Although i’ve never contacted Jo, I have come across several of her posts, and she is a person who I believe would absolutely NEVER do something like that.

    I think it’s despicable that someone would blame a person for something when it isn’t them … that is horrible. Also, bringing up Jo’s past with a roomate is disgusting, whoever posted that went way too far, and I hope they can find it in themselves to apologise.

    As for myspace – there are several people who give their wrong age out. Feel free to report me, if your life really is that sad.

  609. The Divine says:

    I think Anonymous crossed the line a longggg time ago.

    If I can remember correctly though, that was someone posing as Anonymous who posted that post leading to Jo.

  610. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    They are proving that they are mature enough to stay out of a bitch fight like this!
    Jesus, that is not IMMATURE.
    The best thing they can do right now is not be here.
    None of us should be paying any attention.
    Staying out of fights is the most mature thing they could be doing with all this shit.

  611. The Divine says:

    If you believe that so much than why are you posting here? Why are you still here reading all of this?

    And I believe a lot of these posts to be immature.

  612. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    I’m here because I am immature.
    I was sayign the MODS aren’t here. That’s a mature thing to be doing.
    I, on the other hand, am interested in what’s being said and am not particular into the whole getting insulted without retalliating business.

  613. The Divine says:

    You have no idea if the mods are here or not. You don’t know for sure who anyone is here.

  614. brianna says:

    eve, be nice

  615. The Divine says:

    I am being nice. I am just pointing out the obvious.

  616. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Haha that’s right, I don’t.
    But, I know that there have been no unprevoked attacks on anybody from someone on CB.
    I knwo who most people are here because I’ve PMing them
    and I know who my Mods are.
    Sucks to be you tryign to convince me how shitty they are.. Because.. Yeah, not gonna work.

  617. The Divine says:

    I am not trying to convince you of anything. I have the right to my opinions.

    And I stand by what I have been saying. They can say they are not on here, doing crap, whatever…people lie.

  618. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    Haha..
    Well this thread is certainly proof of that.

    Meh, we can all have our own opinions and choose what we want to believe.

    Why doesn’t EVERYONE leave it at that??

  619. The Divine says:

    We are. We’re voicing our opinions.

  620. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    No, I mean that we can all agree to disagree..
    Really, this is getting us nowhere.

  621. Kel bubby duck says:

    Um, I got a little scared seeing someone posting as Kel and then yeah but it’s not me :/
    I’ve already posted in here before my thoughts and all I have to respond to is:

    “You know if you were on cb and came to us needing help, needing support you would get it”

    Really? I don’t want the support the people on CB give. I’d rather not be called names and suspended for not agreeing with the mods.

    You say CB is pro-reality and has thinspo and recovery… again, which do you think is actually posted in? Do you not see how they two cannot coexist?

    If people have called you names on cb it is just a fact of life about forums, people don’t always get on. But there are many many different people on the boards and to categorise everyone under the same banner that you dont want to know them is very harsh. You don’t want my support because of how somebody else treated you? Is that fair? I was only offering you sincerity but you are talking like the entire forum is evil when each member is different. But we are what makes the forum. I don’t agree with being called names or being suspended by the mods for not following a line, if thats what you think has happened or gone on, but I’m just saying your overview on the entire forum isn’t exactly fair. There are alot of beautiful caring people there.

    And on the other I do think both can co-exist. And both are posted in. End of story.

  622. Anonymous Caring says:

    The Faces of Pro Ana The Truth blog is now up and running. Thank you to those of you who have contacted me so far asking for your stories to be told, I will be posting those in the next day or so.

    http://facesofproanathetruth.blogspot.com/

  623. rach says:

    Anonymous caring, thank you for doing that. I really think it is a good thing that you are doing. =]

  624. Alia says:

    KittyKat:

    I agree … though members wouldn’t be deleted or suspended just for stating their opinions about CB. We welcome all opinions, as long as they are given in a respectful manner. We only delete/suspend if one chooses to carry out personal attacks (Anonymous, I’m talking to YOU)

    I won’t use an anonymous username….that just takes all the fun out of it.

    ^I really have to disagree with that above statement, because your board DID suspend me, without noticing thinking that I was a spy, when I stated time and again that I was not, I got no reply back when I emailed and when I was given another moderators email I emailed her and all I was told that in light of what I said she was glad I wasn’t on CB even though I apologized I got no response back at all.

    I hope that isn’t giving too much away here but saying this but I am hurt by these actions as well. Obviously whomever is doing this copy and paste job isn’t me as well I have been suspended since what last week now? And still no reply.

    I just had to say this and if anyone anyone at all is angry with me for this you can email me and we can talk about it, I am sure the moderators have my info as to Anynomous you did a very cruel thing here.

    Alia

  625. Alia says:

    ^ NOTE: by statement I am referring to the ugly statment I made here I was angry at the time. This whole thing is a mess simply a mess.

  626. Anonymous Caring says:

    Rach – No worries at all, it’s the least I can do. I have struggled with an Eating Disorder (Anorexia Nervosa) myself for more than 25 years and I know I would be absolutely devastated to be “named and shamed” on a site like “Faces of Pro Ana” when the information attributed to me would be completely and utterly false. Looking at that site I do think “there but for the grace of god I go” because although I am involved in a recovery orientated support forum I have also spent time in the past posting on so called “Pro Ana” sites, although not for the reasons people might think. Once I went into recovery and began to feel strong enough to be able to deal with potentially triggering content I decided to try and offer support and a reality check to those who were involved with the “Pro Ana” movement. I would talk about what life is really like with a chronic Eating Disorder, the mental and physical struggle, the damage it has caused to my body and urge the girls to turn away before it was too late, to seek help and treatment instead of continuing on the path they were headed down. If I had chosen to post my image on those sites and someone was to come along and take that image out of context without actually bothering to read any of the content of my posts then it is entirely conceivable that I may have been falsely labelled as being “Pro Ana”. Something which I absolutely abhor and detest.

    Please remember, not everyone who posts on a so called “Pro Ana” site is in turn Pro Ana themselves.

  627. Anonymous says:

    Morning,

    Another day another copy paste I am still amongst you.

    MAMAVISION boycott

    Butterflies,
    I have been to mamavision and looked up the posts, I think we need to all stop posting on that website about this ‘face of pro-ana’ thing. A lot of people on that website don’t understand our reasoning and I think we just need to stay silent until we can work all this out. It is just fuelling more anger in us all and giving outsiders pleasure.
    Much love xx.

    Yes. Please. This is so undignified.

    Agree however i do think the little $%@#! that is their little spy should be found…

    I most definitely agree with all the above statements. I would especially like it if the spy was found

    agree =)

    i think this is the best way forward.

    I’ve avoided commenting there as really there is nothing we can do to prove ourselves, we’re just sick people who obviously don’t know what they are doing. Plus by getting into stupid petty fights our side just looks immature and unable to handle criticism. We don’t have to stop fighting the FoPA but really we don’t need to be fighing in the comments at mamavision, there is no point.

    I agree.

    (although the only thing that’s been really bugging me is the way everyone – including dear old MamaV – ignores all the reasonable comments. But hey, nothing we can do about that. Rant over.)

    *karma*

  628. rach says:

    Something i’d like to say – i think the MOST immature person among us is anonymous, for obvious reasons. Just wanted to add my opinion on the whole maturity thing :/

  629. rach says:

    Something i’d like to say – i think the MOST immature person among us is anonymous, for obvious reasons. Just wanted to add my opinion on the whole maturity thing :/

  630. Anonymous says:

    You are a monster.

    just started reading the posts there, and I got a bit misquoted saying that Irishish was Hitler… oops You really shouldn’t post late at night.. all I meant was that most of us have never met Hitler, yet we hate him.. and his name carries an “ooh”. I said the Irishish/Hitler thing when there was no proof (that I had seen) that it was her, and I just meant that a lot of us never actually knew her, yet we all seem to hate her, and we shouldn’t blame her without proof. I was almost defending her (this was before she got nasty, I think) and now I’m being quoted as a monster

    Sorry, I just had to defend myself somewhere. Was what I said awful? I didn’t mean it to be.

    Anyway. Yes. No more MamaV for us.

    I just realised that it sounds like I am defending Hitler. Oh Lord, why I can’t I keep my mouth shut..

    I’m not, btw. And I’m not defending Irishish now that I’ve seen what she has to say.

    But I stand by my belief that there’s good in everyone.

    Ugh.. I’m agonising over this. Does anyone see what I mean? That Irishish’s name carries a stigma here like Hitler’s does in the world..

    Sorry, this is so the wrong place to be talking about this. It’s just stupid MamaVision bothering me.

    ^no. It is your uneducated brain that is bothering you, yes a man that was responsible for genocide on such a mass level the Germans still live with the stigma of it, but continue this is libel now you know.

  631. Anonymous says:

    “im not sure if this is the right thing to do but i have told my sister (who dosnt know bout my ed) that they got my pic and others off a help and support fourm i use for my mental problems, she has contacted a friend who is good at messing sites up, i didnt mention this site but hes going to try to remove the pictures himself, fingers crossed he can, i dont know if it will resolve the issue, but
    but at least it will get the pictures of us down for at least now! if anyone has a problem with this way let me know and i will stop it xx”

    “I hope it’ll work, as a last resort. And I don’t care if another person wants to quote us talking about this on mamavision, this shit needs to end.”

  632. Anonymous says:

    Rach: “Would that involve hacking the site, or something of that nature? Because, if we do that, they’ve already warned that it is illegal.

    Also, someone’s already tried, but apparently it has too much protection on it for them to break through.

    To be honest, I wouldn’t care if it was illegal. But, I wouldn’t want a butterfly, or a friend of a butterfly getting in trouble with the law because of this.”

    brokenstar: “will pass the message on to the friend that only to do that as a last resort, he knows this stuff well and knows the consicenses (sp?) if he gets caught, he does it for fun, as a challenge. will wait and see what happens tho
    hope you are all ok xxx”

    rach: “I’m obviously being incredibly stupid … 😛

    My father could attempt to hack into the site, also. If people want him to, he will. But if you’d rather he didn’t, and we attempted that the pictures come down another way, then that’s okay. I’m just making a suggestion, as it seems that they’re not going to see sense.”

    rach: “Okay, i’ll see what he can do?
    Thing is – we have been warned that this is illegal, and we could be sued for it. We’ve just got to weigh up our chances, i guess.

    My dad and I would be prepared to do it, if it could help you all, and that’s what you wanted, despite the whole illegal risk side of it. So, surely, if my dad and i take responsibility for it, cb can’t get into trouble. I just want to make 100% sure of this before i get him to do it.”

    motorcade ashes: “im working on hacking into their account, im a hacker, and a computer wiz. lol. but its pretty well protected.”

    UnseenTears (CB mod): “I date a computer nerd. He’s trying to figure out a way to get their ISP address. Just so you all know….I’m working on it too.”

    rach: “My father could attempt to hack into the site, also. If people want him to, he will. But if you’d rather he didn’t, and we attempted that the pictures come down another way, then that’s okay. I’m just making a suggestion, as it seems that they’re not going to see sense.”

    arcane: “rach, I, for one, would want him to try. If I was still in contact some really awesome hackers I was friends with I would have had them on it the moment I found out (one I’m sure could crack blogger, he’s cracked into simular places/places with more protection). Unfortunatly I doubt they will come down any other way. Blogger seems pretty resistant, and whoever posted it won’t. Fuck, hacking it, they’ll probably but it up again/someplace else, but I figure like most spite places it will be forgotten after awhile.”

  633. Anonymous says:

    And MamaV, you should see this part –

    alexcellent: “ALRIGHT. I have a hypothesis….it’s very shoddy and it’s still in the works, but I’m trying to figure this all out just as much as you all are. I looked at the zodiac signs of both mamavision (as stated on her myspace) and this Faces of Pro-Ana blogger are listed as aquarius. Completely stupid point to stand on it’s own, but here’s more…

    There has been repeated cross-referencing between both mamavision’s site and the Faces of Pro-Ana blog. they keep citing each other frequently throughout this whole endeavor. Also, Heather Blessinger (creater of mamavision) found out about the blog surprisingly early–the blog was created on march 26th, at 10:34 in the morning. the next day, barely 24 hours later, heather wrote her first blog about “discovering” the faces of pro-ana bullshit.

    Another point–if you read closely into the actual rhetoric used in both blogs, the writing structure is remarkably similar. personally, i read excerpts from mamavision’s blog and the faces of pro-ana blog aloud to myself…you’ll see the similarities between the two. I don’t know–I have a hunch that mamavision is behind all this, and is trying her best to cover up her tracks by leaving comments under this new blog. Which brings me to my last point — it seems that only posts by mamavision herself, or people who agree with her — are being approved by the original blogger. Suspicious? I think so.

    This is all a real clusterfuck….i know it sounds like a stretch, but I do believe it’s wholy possible that the two are linked.”

    alexcellent: “Something else that may or may not be of any importance…I was reading through the comments on mamav’s latest facesofproana blog:

    Facesofproana creator: “We wanted to thank you for your kind words on our blog, MamaV. I have to admit, neither of us expected the amount of comments we�ve gotten with curses and just curses- no actual message, just strings of curses and insults……We can both assure you that, claims to the contrary, the sites we refer to do indeed all have these components. We may be new to things like pro-ana compared to people like you, MamaV, but what we saw on those sites was stomach-turning, and from what we have read is very much pro-ana.”

    MamaV’s response: “Dear Concerned Aunt and Uncle: I have to say it feels great to have some support from others of my generation, it�s been lonely over here!

    Let them curse.
    Let them berade you.
    Let them tell you how stupid you are and how you �don�t get it.�

    All B.S

    They want us out of their business, like any young person wants adults to keep their nose out of anything that is theirs……

    What this generation does not see is it is all the same to us 30-40 somethings. It�s sick, it�s leading down a bad road, and for that we are concerned.”

    This doesn’t seem right. It says on the blog creator’s profile that she was a 22 year old female, which follows the story of “my wife started this blog, blah blah..” Nowhere in facesofproana or mamavision.com does it say that the “concerned aunt and uncle” are older or younger than 22. odd assumption on mama’s part I think..”

    echodeep: “I’d like to add to the things you pointed out… on the post she made where there were two videos of her thoughts, I made a comment asking her directly if she believed the ‘concerned relative’ story. She completely overlooked my post, commenting just twenty minutes later to reply to someone above me. There’s no way she didn’t see it. I was polite and civil, it was a very early comment, she had no reason not to reply.

    (I’m not saying there’s no other reasonable explanation for that, it just adds to all the suspicious stuff).

    Plus, and I’m certainly not the first to point this out, she has ignored a lot of the intelligent, non-offensive posts made by people from here in favour of discussing all the drama. It stinks!!”

    IWantToBeThin: “Alex – Or anyone – Have you seen the two youtube vids on mamaVisions blog?? – talking about the faces of pro – anorexia and she talks directly about CB. Apparently it is very moderated etc etc – so how would she know? Could she have logged on? – just relating the point back to what Alex said. [refer to bold] I can see why you Alex were/are suspicious… ”

    alexcellent: “I think I have an idea of how to be CERTAIN that MamaV and the FoPA creator are the same person. If anyone wants to help me try and figure this out, send me a PM….I don’t want to post it here, for understandable reasons.”

    rach: “Pm’d you.
    If there’s anyway we can sort this out, that doesn’t involve my father and i possibly getting into trouble – i’m all for it. I really would hope that would only be a last resort.”

    Planning on illegally hacking this blog too?

    you cry so much about your pictures, you threaten lawsuits…. and decide illegal action is the answer?

  634. Anonymous says:

    And the bebo for rach, whose daddy is going to hack this and faces of pro-ana to prove they’re the same people, is here http://bebo.com/rach-803 so you know where to find her once you’re hacked

  635. I’ve just fixed the comments section so now anyone can comment, including people who wish to remain anonymous. I would like to invite the members of the CB forums to come over to http://facesofproanathetruth.blogspot.com/
    if you wish to vent about or discuss what has happened in regards to the Faces of Pro Ana situation and to urge you all to ignore what is happening here. I know that may be difficult for you to do considering what is happening with the copying and reposting of CB members posts etc, but the more you give this person an audience (and show they are getting to you) the more you encourage them to continue.

    Please be aware comments will be moderated. Any comments which are personally attacking n nature or contain any information which the original author has not given their express permission to be reposted will not be approved.

  636. rach says:

    What was the point of posting my bebo page? How does that have anything to do with any of this?

  637. brianna says:

    sorry eve, but i don’t believe in posting under the guise of a name so that you can run your mouth. you want to delete me from myspace and your IM’s thats totally cool, it shows your true colors and i wish they would have shown earlier.

  638. The Divine says:

    Brianna: If you have such a problem with it, tell everyone the other names you’ve been posting under.

    And about messing up FOPA: Go the legal way. If you just “mess up” the blog or whatever, the person who made it can just make a new one and upload the pictures again. I am sure that this person has to photos stored somewhere else.

  639. mamavision says:

    Hi Everyone: I wanted to say I am truly sorry for all the pain and suffering this post is causing. However, I stand by my statement –

    This is life.

    This is life whether we like it or not. Mean spirited gossip such as this goes on every single day behind closed doors, you just don’t hear it because people don’t reveal themselves.

    Online is a whole other, scary place.

    To those who are being targeted here, do your best to let it roll off. Instead, sit back and breathe. Ponder your actions that got you into this situation. Think about how you are going to trust (or not trust) individuals you meet online.

    With that said, I do believe that the vast majority of young women online are kind, and caring. I personally have so many wonderful friends through this blog and I cherish there friendship.

    I don’t know what’s going on within CB, but I am hoping those who sought support there are still able to do so? How have the discussions changed at CB..is everyone on pins and needles, afraid to post?

    This does concern me because those that have stated CB is their line to support feel they need this. I hope you are connecting with your loyal friends in private email communications instead of on the board. Alternatively, go to the open forum here on mamaVISION, there’s a great community of people to reach out to when in need.

    Finally, I have to say I got a kick out of Anonomous’ philosophy that I am behind the FacesofProAna site. If you take a look at the “Got A Tip” section of this site, you will see a post from Izzy who posted the link to FPA site. When I read this, I checked out the site, and posted about it. I have no doubt Aunt and Uncle are real based on the way they are completely freaked about this situation. They had NO idea what they were getting into.

    Have a good day ladies,
    mamaV

  640. Empty says:

    MamaV:

    Thank you for your reply to us. I have e-mailed you again.

  641. Irishish says:

    spam email didn’t work …

    instead email me at irishish@hotmail.com
    i know that ones working

  642. brianna says:

    eve, i was asked by CB staff to use an anonymous name so i will keep that one a secret. but i’m not afraid to say to say that i posted using the name pariah as well. big freaking deal.

  643. Irishish-the real me says:

    ” Irishish
    April 2, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    spam email didn’t work …

    instead email me at irishish@hotmail.com
    i know that ones working”

    Too bad I don’t have an account like that.

    Oh, and too bad I was sitting in a lecture course at my school..
    grow up little children please… you only serve to make yourselves and CB look worse.

    Next time you want to compare me to someone make sure it’s… well, comparable. I didn’t slaughter millions of people. I’ll never use any email other than the one I listed for mamav…
    It’s whoisdivine@live.com

    Or maybe my personal emails… but if you don’t know those I’m certainly not going to give them out.

  644. Alia says:

    Hi again,

    I am not sure who on CB made the Hitler comments about Irishish but how could you, how can you compare a man who committed genocide against millions of people with a young woman who has done nothing of the kind.

    I think it is a bit melodramatic and that Irishish deserves an apology for that, it is down right horrible to say that to anyone and then you wonder why you have members as twisted as whoever Anonymous is as my mother has always said…

    You reap what you sow.

    Alia

  645. Uknown Author*&%# says:

    To Irishish,

  646. Uknown Author*&%# says:

    …we have talked in the past. You know who I am and I know who you are. We haven’t had problems in the past or anything remotely like that. I have never seen you get so worked up over something that you were blamed for before. From what I know about you…you will admit when you do something. And you’re not doing that. Which leads me to believe that you truly had no part in this. One thing that does bother me is that not one picture of you is on the faces of pro-ana site. That is the only thing that gets me suspicious. You have posted tons of pictures on CB…why isn’t yours up there. Is it cause the person who created the site wanted to make it seem as though you were behind this all? Maybe…I don’t know.
    I hope I’m right about you having nothing to do with this. I just can’t see you stooping this low.

    I understand everyone’s opinions about CB. It has it’s bad parts and it’s good parts. But doesn’t everything? You can’t just focus more so on one then the other…
    Irishish, wasn’t CB there for you when your brother died? Did you not make at least one good friend? Has it not done one good thing that you will never forget? And this goes for everyone!
    You cannot just focus on the bad. That’s what makes your lives terrible in the end. That is what helps to feed eating disorder and other illnesses.

    I’m done. And for future reference, I WILL NOT be posting here under this same username!! So if anyone wants to decide to post a message under this name…ignore it cause it won’t be me!

  647. Irishish-the real me says:

    Probably because I left CB a year ago…

    Don’t you bring up my brother… don’t you dare bring him up on this site.. him and his memory have absolutely nothing to do with Faces. That’s so uncalled for… and what you don’t realize are all my reasons for leaving CB revolved around and what it was standing for. Before… everything I didn’t feel that I had a reason to recover, I now know better. The people who really supported me through this I still talk to. I can say that some of those people are my closet friends… and not just on the internet. I owe those PEOPLE my life…

  648. Irishish-the real me..hitler w/e the hell you like to call me says:

    you say you know me.

    Contact me then, and not by any spam email account as I won’t be responding to that one anymore

  649. brianna says:

    i made an analogy to hitler on CB, but i made sure to point out that i was not calling Irishish hitler because i know there had been a prior incident of that. i believe that reference was made in the big FoPA thread that is now archived incase anonymous want to dig it out.

  650. Very sorry young butterfly who briefly used a stupid example and who everyone now hates :( says:

    I was the one who is being said to have compared Irishish to Hitler.

    I was upset at the time – I’m not saying that’s why I said it, I’m saying that’s why it came out so badly.

    Here’s what I meant by saying “Irishish has almost become our own personal Hitler” –

    When you say the name Hitler there is an immediate reaction “Ooh what a nasty man”. It doesn’t matter how little detail you know about what he’s done, or that you’ve never met him. Whether you’ve done years of research or never studied him at all, you automatically associate him with evil.

    Lots of people on CB now have never spoken to Irishish. Some don’t even know what’s gone on. But you say her name and people’s immediate judgement of her is “nasty”.

    In a way, I was actually trying to defend her, of sorts. I was just trying to say that we shouldn’t assume she was anything to do with this because of her actions in the past, and point out that many of us are just being prejudiced.

    I’m still not saying she was anything to do with FoPA. I’m still not saying she’s an evil or not nice person. I’ve never spoken to her, and don’t think I hold the right to jump to conclusions.

    I should have known, I should have thought that this would be taken badly. I really didn’t mean any harm. Irishish I apologise, I feel I have been taken out of context and also that I failed to explain myself properly. I would never wish any harm to you, or anyone.

    **I’m not defending Hitler either, or saying he wasn’t evil. But I do believe there was some good in him, because I believe there is good in everyone, regardless.

    I haven’t used my name, or even given my screenname, because I’m scared. I’m not afraid to admit that. I’m a scared child who feels violated and vunerable and who wasn’t ready to learn that there are people in the world who want to hurt her without even knowing her.

    I didn’t want to get involved in this, or this discussion here. But I felt I had to attempt to explain myself. I just want peace. I don’t believe in hurting others and therefore find it hard to understand people who want to hurt me. Anyone who knows me knows that I wouldn’t have meant you any harm, Irishish.

  651. Reply to MamaV says:

    MamaV – If someone punched you in the face and then excused themselves by telling you that “Life sucks, Mama. There are people out there who are gonna punch you in the face. Whether we like it or not, this is life.” would you let them go on their way?

    Don’t you see what I’m saying. Yes, there are unfair and unkind people out there. That’s no excuse for you to become one of them. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because people do get raped, doesn’t make it alright for one to become a rapist.

    I don’t know if you think you’re teaching us a life lesson, because most of the people here have learnt that life hurts – that’s why they have their assorted medical problems.

    Don’t sink to their level. Be better than them. Don’t be unkind for unkindness’ sake.

  652. Anonymous says:

    Ghostgirl- don’t lie. You HAVE talked to Irishish a good many times. Which only makes it that much WORSE that you’re comparing her to Hitler now. And nothing was taken out of context- you just are backpedaling because someone’s mad at you.

    The Reply to MamaV- I wanted to point something out to you with your analogy, because from the way you typed it I can’t tell if you’re advocating hitting back or not. But there are many places now where police arrest anyone in a fight and charge both equally – regardless of who threw the first punch and who punched back in self-defense. MamaV’s responses are actually very mature and practical- because, in your analogy, not letting them get away with it could land you in jail as well.

    Also, telling MamaV two wrongs don’t make a right isn’t applicable here. Your issue with her is that she’s not standing up and fighting back against what you perceive as being the enemy. In reality, she’s not really doing anything except saying find a lesson in this- and she shouldn’t, it’s not her place. Telling her two wrongs don’t make a right would be applicable if did something equal to what you are calling wrong in this situation, but she didn’t.

    In fact, what you are advocating IS more in lines with retribution, but you go on to say that is bad. What MamaV is saying is to be a grownup, learn from it and move on. That is, afterall, how the real world works.

  653. Anonymous says:

    I know it all.

  654. brianna says:

    young butterfly, i dont think anyone here hates you. except maybe anonymous, but she doesnt seem to like anyone but herself.

  655. Anonymous says:

    What makes you think I’m a girl, brianna?

  656. Anonymous says:

    Because you bitch like one!

  657. Anonymous says:

    Young butterf, I mean Cerulean BUTTERBALL, ghostgirl. You have far to go before you will ever be a ghost but learn early to own up to what you say and do and have no fear no court in any country will ever hear this case.

    My dear BUTTERBALL if you continue with the hitler comments though someone just might make you a ghost.

    Yes, whoever said this was a girl. This is a being, and enity that is why we are called Anonymous for we are Legion for we are many.

  658. Anonymous says:

    I am not a girl!

  659. Anonymous says:

    Me either I am Legion.

  660. Anonymous says:

    and wtf about the many, I’m just me

  661. Anonymous says:

    No No I am Legion I am many me me me

  662. Anonymous says:

    no stop it! it’s my turn to talk, you’re supposed to be on vacation!

  663. Anonymous says:

    Only one of me is on vacation there are many others not. Satan doesn’t have a vacation.

  664. oihze tejehboi;rhetu;hiaeuirtiuhae says:

    Irishish, I’m not bring your brother up to use against you or hurt you or anything like that. That is one thing I would never do. I was simply stateing that you know CB isn’t all bad from past experience. That when you needed support, mostly everyone was there for you. That you can’t regret everything about CB because it helped to mold you into the person you are.
    When you talk about CB, you make it seem like the whole thing is no good. But you know that it’s not.

  665. brianna says:

    i think you are a girl anonymous because i know that you are a staff member, and we only have one male staff member and he would never be as malicious you are.

  666. Signora says:

    Anonymous…you’ve got way to much time on your hands man! Why’ve you been causing so much chaos around here? Don’t you have something better to do then this?

  667. anonymous 99 says:

    Well….someone needs help immediately.

  668. Anonymous says:

    what makes you think i’m a staff member, brianna?

    didn’t i just say there’s more than one of me?

  669. Nicaragua says:

    to MamaV:

    “To those who are being targeted here, do your best to let it roll off. Instead, sit back and breathe.”

    I might be able to do this, if it wasn’t for the very real possibility that someone I know stumbles across that website, which will without a doubt ruin at least a part of my life that I have worked very hard to construct.

    People are going off at other people for wanting to ‘hack’ the site. I am not condoning this, BUT, what else do you want them to do?

    Sending polite emails asking for our photo to be removed, because we have never been ‘pro-ana’, does not work.
    Changing the URL of the photos doesn’t work because they have saved them to their own server.
    Leaving them up is an ‘option’ but not a good one, if you consider that this could come back to bite you in several years. I am in recovery now. What happens if (when) I AM recovered, and someone sees this?
    Surely you can understand we desperately want our photos down and all the rational options simply have not worked.

    “Ponder your actions that got you into this situation.”

    what exactly is it I should be pondering?
    Once upon a time, not eating seemed like the answer to all my problems.
    So I did it.
    Once upon a time I had no friends that liked or cared about me, and the only place anyone gave a fuck or at least slightly understood how I felt were the girls on CB.
    Once upon a time I was about to go to a party and I spent an hour doing my hair and makeup and I thought I looked halfway reasonable. It is rare for me to feel pretty. So I took a photo of my face and put it up. …One photo… just my face.
    That photo went up months ago, I forgot about it.

    Months later, I find my photo on a website claiming I am proana. I will burn in hell before I am considered proana. THAT IS THE LAST THING I AM.

    As far as I’m concerned, ‘pro-ana’ means that you like anorexia.
    I don’t like anorexia.
    I’m not even an anoretic… my BMI is too high.
    I would never want to be an anoretic.
    I would never want anyone else to be an anoretic.

    I know eating disorders are TERRIBLE. I know they kill people. I know it has ruined my life. Why would I want this to happen to anyone else?

    All I did was post a harmless picture of my own face and apparently this makes me pro-ana… apparently this means I want to kill everyone’s daughters or at least hospitalise them all… I eat nothing but lettuce and scream QUOD ME NUTRUIT ME DETRUIT from the top of the hills… I’m sorry but no.

    I have never done anything pro-ana, I DID NOT DESERVE THIS, so don’t go and tell me to ‘ponder my actions’ that lead me to be on this website… I have done nothing wrong.

  670. Anonymous says:

    What? I am satan now? Well aint that a bitch!

  671. Anonymous says:

    You ARE a bitch!

  672. Anonymous says:

    I am not your momma, stop name calling.

  673. Anonymous says:

    you mean our momma.

    she’s gonna whoop yo ass for that kinda language.

  674. Anonymous says:

    You are boring. If we are one in the same, then the part you are using is boring.

  675. Anonymous says:

    Yes. Our Momma is the High Priestess of Darkness, ever painful and pure unadultrated evil.

    I am am evil and I am many.

    No Butterballs were hurt during this annoucement. Your pictures along with you have a special place in a part of hell. Not our part you aren’t cool enough.

  676. Anonymous says:

    Wow, I am an asshole too now. Sounds like I need to stop being a retard, take meds for my retard sydrome, and learn how to type and write properly.

    *sends some meds for my flat chest and camel toe*

  677. Anonymous says:

    Quote: What happens if (when) I AM recovered, and someone sees this?

    ^ don’t you get it no one will no one cares but you butterball.

    Legion has spoken over and out.

  678. Anonymous says:

    The Archangel Micheal speaking:

    I have turned to the darkside and know many times many I have a question for this quote:

    Wow, I am an asshole too now. Sounds like I need to stop being a retard, take meds for my retard sydrome, and learn how to type and write properly.

    *sends some meds for my flat chest and camel toe*

    ^It has always been know Jo that you are a carpet muncher thank you for the confirmation. That is all.

  679. Anonymous says:

    Thank your genes ass munch..

    *sends some holy water*

    That should burn you right in the balls

  680. Anonymous says:

    The Archangel Micheal is on drugs.

  681. Wtf? says:

    Anonymous when you realise the amount of pain you are causing do you have the capacity to live on through that knowledge? I couldn’t, you are so nasty to those that do not deserve such comments.
    Ghostgirl did not mean that post how it happened to be read, I totally believe that. How can you say such awful things? In fact I don’t want to know because it seems you have no capacity to feel anything positive for anyone.

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  683. Anonymous says:

    Spit It Out:

    Tough shit!

    This is what happens when the owner of the blog says this:

    “To All: This blog has been unmoderated from day one and it will continue to be. This is not a sign of irresponsibility, but a sign of respect, respect for all of you who wish to express yourself without censorship. As we are seeing there are consequences of actions, so if you have said something with evil, selfish intentions, post an apology, its as simple as that.”

    So suck it up!

  684. anon says:

    Just because a blog is unmoderated and open does not mean that it should be used to personally attack people and hurl abuse and profanities at them!
    I would like to believe your a better person and have more self respect than that!

  685. Kat - CandiedClouds says:

    ^^^ Completely agree with the above comment.

  686. Nicaragua says:

    ‘Anonymous’… your attempt at an insult might have had a slight effect on me if it weren’t for the fact that you have totally failed to be even close to coherent in recent replies.

    Once again I feel my well thought out and mature reply has been totally overlooked and discredited. But what can ya do, I suppose.

  687. Jo says:

    It makes me incredibly sad that someone feels they have to make personal attacks against me to get attention- if the only way someone can feel any sense of achievement or validation is by attacking others- for example, saying they are things that are against their religion, or accusing them of things they haven’t done, as they have done to me- that’s just really sad.

    I don’t know how I offended whoever this is- I mean, they’re attacking from behind a mask, in a place they know they won’t be brought out and paraded as the sad, bitter person they are.

    I might have offended people- but I know who I am. I know who matters to me. An angry, hurting person hiding behind a computer screen, not even brave enough to use their own name, is not one of them. No, I do not like being accused of being something I am not- nobody does. In the end, however, people can say what they want, it doesn’t change who I am.

    We are not defined by what others say about us. People can say CB is pro-ana until they’re blue in the face, it doesn’t make it true. People can accuse Irishish of being behind this as much as they want- doesn’t mean that she is.

    Anonymous- whoever and wherever you are, I hope that someday you’ll learn that negativity and pain are not the only ways to have an impact, and how sad it is that some people believe they have to resort to that.

  688. Jo says:

    “Wow, I am an asshole too now. Sounds like I need to stop being a retard, take meds for my retard sydrome, and learn how to type and write properly.

    *sends some meds for my flat chest and camel toe*”

    – Just to confirm, it wasn’t me that posted that. Not really my style.

  689. Young butterfly says:

    Anonymous – if I have talked to Irishish directly I’m afraid that I don’t remember it. But I am currently rather ill (non ED related) and my memory is affected. I came here only to apologise. You obviously do not know me, or you would understand that, and that I would not continue with any comments. Although there was only one. Perhaps you are mistaking me for someone else who has said something truly malicious, and that is why you seem to hate me so.

    But you get me wrong – I only wanted to apologise to Irishish and explain myself. I want nothing to do with you – I believe in ‘live and let live’, ‘to be loved you must think love’.

    “Young butterf, I mean Cerulean BUTTERBALL, ghostgirl. You have far to go before you will ever be a ghost but learn early to own up to what you say and do and have no fear no court in any country will ever hear this case.

    My dear BUTTERBALL if you continue with the hitler comments though someone just might make you a ghost.”

    I never denied that this was me. I just wanted to stay out of this conversation because people are being unnecessarily cruel, my dear girl, and I am fragile.

    I don’t know who you are but I doubt you are on CB – you seem to go against everything that CB stands for. Tell me, is it really worth it to try and hurt all these people? Does it make you feel that much better? I hope it does, I hope you feed off it, so that this misery has not been wasted.

    I don’t know what happened to you to make you like this, but I wish you all the best in learning how to forgive.

  690. rach says:

    Leave ghostgirl alone. She perhaps said something which she shouldn’t have, but she apologised for it, and attempted to relieve all bad feelings about what she said.

    With due respect, she is a young girl, and so it’s expected that she will make mistakes, she is still growing. What she said is between herself and irishish, and it will do no good for anyone else to get involved, and attack her. She simply made a mistake, for which she apologised. Let it go.

  691. Reply to MamaV, replying to Anonymous says:

    Anonymous you have completely misunderstood what I was saying, and perhaps you should not interfere in what is not directed at you.

    To clarify – I never made any mention of hitting back, or letting them get away with it. That is a part of my analogy that Anonymous made up all on her own. I simply meant to ask MamaV if she thought it would be fair.

    Please don’t tell me what my issue with MamaV is. Particularly when you’re wrong – I do not ask her to fight back, only to not contribute to the mayhem they are causing by keeping the link and this post going.

    Have you never been told, Anonymous, that those who do not report a bully are as bad as the bully herself? That those who allow bad things to continue when they could do some damage control shoulder some of the blame. You say MamaV has done nothing wrong, but she has done nothing right either, when she could have. In some people’s eyes that is very wrong indeed.

    I am not advocating retribution. I simply asking for help from a woman who is in a position to help us.

    Next time, if you don’t understand something, could you just keep quiet? We don’t all have time to spell things out for you.

  692. the gnome dildo says:

    Jad?? JAAAAAAD?? I don’t know you as Jad, you’ll always be Julian to me.

  693. Anonymous says:

    ” Reply to MamaV
    April 2, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    MamaV – If someone punched you in the face and then excused themselves by telling you that “Life sucks, Mama. There are people out there who are gonna punch you in the face. Whether we like it or not, this is life.” would you let them go on their way?”

    WOULD YOU LET THEM GO ON THEIR WAY?

    I think you’ve made it obvious what you meant.

    As for MamaV- nickname aside, she ISN’T your mama. And it ISN’T her place to fight your battle for you. Sometimes you actually have to do things for yourself without your mommy to hold your hand, and this is one of those times. Why should she get involved? So you don’t have to take responsibility for her actions?
    You can’t go through life expecting someone else to always make the bullies stop. They’re always going to be there- and yes, for a lot of it, you AREN’T going to be able to report them. When you get older, it’s not that simple. And you won’t have a mom there to hold your hand.

    So why don’t you stop criticizing MamaV in her own blog and actually attempt to grow up and take responsibility for your own actions? Frankly, a lot of us are getting tired of hearing you whine and whine wish you’d just go get a damn babysitter to hold your hand already.

  694. Nicaragua says:

    In my opinion, MamaV got herself involved the minute she posted about this website, link and all, on her own blog.

    Although I’m perfectly sure she didn’t expect all of this to happen.

    …that doesn’t mean I’m saying MV should fix all of this, I’m just saying. She IS involved now, whether she likes it or not.

    Additionally I’d like to know how I’m supposed to ‘take responsibility for my actions’? Really I would like to know.

  695. Anonymous says:

    What’s so hard to understand about that post, Nicola/whatever country you’re going by today?

    Or are you just that thick?

    NO ONE CARES BUT YOU. CB isn’t a big enough deal. Media cameras aren’t going to swoop down and cause a storm showing your faces on every station in every country because cb just isn’t that important and no one cares about a bunch of little girls whining to each other.

    You all seem to think you’re so important that “the media” will jump at the first chance to show your pictures they get. Your not Paris Hilton. you’re just another bunch of teenage girls complaining that they’re the only ones whose lives suck and whose parents don’t understand. but youre all a bunch of megalomaniacs which is not something you usually see with eds. you all seem to have a more than healthy sense of your own importance.

  696. Anonymous says:

    you don’t like it, do something about it or get over it.

    stop whining to someone whose place it isn’t to do it for you.

  697. Intrigued Observer says:

    Anonymous – Are you that ‘pro-canna’ gang?

  698. rach says:

    Anonymous, whether mamaV likes it or not – she is involved. She posted the link on her blog, which, in my opinion, automatically meant she was involved in the whole fopa thing. Involved as in she’s supporting them.

    People want mamaV to take the link down, not to “hold their hands”. The link being on her blog is doing noone here so good whatsoever.

    So, yes, you’re wrong. MamaV is involved, and she will be until she takes down the link.

  699. Intrigued Observer says:

    – The gang who called themselves CaNnAz AnGeLs and had a site on Freewebs that got shut down.

  700. Anonymous says:

    Baal here.

    Abaddon, Andrealphus, Caacrinolaas, Eleksha and Mephistopheles are having the nation champoionship volleyball game as usual Abaddon is cheating.

    Naphula and Sabnock are playing bridge with Plato and Socorates between the two of them philosophizing over who should of been a better team player it could take forever for this game to go on and in Hell that is a mighty long time forever.

    And Legion is napping at the moment if you wish to leave him a message he said his email address is LegionRocksinHell@Lucifer.com, he will reply to all mail, any requestes regarding holy water will be sent to the man above and he will deal with such unimportant matters for you.

    Now to address the Butterballs points, we will start with the one who insists on calling themselves some third-worold country first.

    Yes, you are correct we don’t read your long winded posts cause only in your 14 year old little brain are they thought to be constructive and well thought out no response is going to be mad to them but continue it amuses us down here to see how the master plan of world domination is going much faster than anticpated. At this rate with the amount of stupidty from the world youth our takeover should be quite easy, sheep are always easily led.

    As to the others this is the real world words said in black and white can’t be taken back, your hyprocracy Cerulean Butterballs is beyond even my father and trust me he has seen it all, planned it all and done it all. Grow up learn from your mistakes apologies don’t always get accepted and from the army of Satan did you expect anything less.

    No one is responsible but you Rach, Ghostgirl and all the other butterballs but continue it never ceases to amaze us the level of stupidty, gall and pure ignorance of the human race. As for pro-cana no clue but it sounds like something my Dad would do I will ask him if I don’t forget.

    For now good by as once again Socartes is trying to shove Platos Republic up Platos ass once again.

  701. Reply to MamaV, replying to Anonymous says:

    Anonymous, I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with you.. can you not understand what people say?

    Look, I’ll quote myself.

    “I do not ask her to fight back, only to not contribute to the mayhem they are causing by keeping the link and this post going.

    Have you never been told, Anonymous, that those who do not report a bully are as bad as the bully herself? That those who allow bad things to continue when they could do some damage control shoulder some of the blame. You say MamaV has done nothing wrong, but she has done nothing right either, when she could have. In some people’s eyes that is very wrong indeed.”

    See, I’m not asking her to fight my battles. Now, if you can’t understand that, maybe you shouldn’t be using the computer unsupervised.

    Also, as a pacifist, my idea of not letting someone go on there way is saying something about it, instead of just shrugging it off. Objecting verbally.

    But if you’re someone who can’t understand non violent protest then I guess you’ll still get your knickers in a twist over everything I say.

    And I would also like to make it clear that I am not criticizing MamaV. I’m just asking her to consider a different way of looking at the situation.

    Oh, and I don’t need a babysitter. I may not be a legal adult, be able to drink, smoke or drive – but I can lawfully look after myself, without having to threaten children to amuse myself.

  702. rach says:

    You amaze me, how exactly am I responsible for this mess?

    Also, as i’ve said above, ghostgirl apologised, and anyway, what was said is between herself and irishish. Can you even read?

  703. Anonymous says:

    Rach don’t play in the big girl sandbox unless you know how to fight how many times must I say we are Legion for we are many and we can do whatever we want to just like your hacking Daddy. Tell me dear child how is the hacking coming along?

  704. rach says:

    Not too good, but don’t worry.
    At least my father’s still hopeful that he’ll be able to track down your ip. So no worries there.
    Just a shame that you won’t be able to stock around on cb for long. We’ll miss you dreadfully.

  705. rach says:

    stay*

  706. GG says:

    This legion business only serves to make you sound mentally unstable and to discredit you, Anonymous.