Go Straight to Jail…NO BAIL!

$47,000 fine and up to 2 years in prison….

$71,000 & 3 years in the slammer….

Drug bust? Prostitution? Polygamy?

Nope, these are fines and penalties for promoting Deadly Thinness

This is the real deal girls, France, the country that defined haute couture, launched Europe’s most aggressive assualt yet on the promotion of ultra skinny body requirements so near and dear to the hearts of the Fashion Industry.

The French National Assembly approved unprecidented legislation that would make promotion of extreme dieting a crime punishable by up to 2 years in prison and fines as much as $47 grand.

Am I dreaming??!(&#*(%&#(%

“It may mean that we won’t be able to publish anything,” squealed brainwashed editor of France’s Elle Magazine Isabelle Maury. “If they decide to strictly implement it, it could mean that every fashion show and magazine will be banned or charged.”

Get a grip on reality lady.

This quote makes me sick. It is so very indicative of the warped attitude of the Fashion Industry that has been prevalent for years.

Next step…the bill heads goes to the Senate. If passed it will officially be ILLEGAL to “provoke a person to aspire to excessive thinness by encouraging prolonged food limitations.

AMEN!

-mamaV

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36 Responses to Go Straight to Jail…NO BAIL!

  1. Ren says:

    Your magazine won’t be able to publish anything? How about pictures of real women, and fashion that flatters them? This legislation is likely going to save lives and all this woman cares about is her job? Disgusting.

    I’m glad some action is finally being taken.

  2. kelly says:

    i dunno about this. i want the gov out of people’s lives. i want a realistic image to be portrayed but not through these means.

    are we just going to give up and say we are products of our society and nothing more? The fashion industry is not the reality…what make our own so why do we fixate on this?

  3. shanzeee says:

    monetary fines? that’s great.

    but jail time?? no. that’s too extreme.

  4. gabby says:

    THIS IS SO EXCITING!!

  5. j.Lowe says:

    The exact wording of the bill includes:

    “incitement to excessive thinness by publicising of any kind.”
    (Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL1578685820080415)

    “Publicising of any kind”? To me, this is vague wording that can easily be applied to the fashion industry. I understand why Ms. Maury would say such a thing – underweight model after underweight model presented on the runway, in ads, and in magazines can be considered an encouragement to achieve such thinness.

    Furthermore:

    “Her bill has mainly brought focus to pro-anorexic websites that give advice on how to eat an apple a day – and nothing else.

    But Boyer insisted in her speech to lawmakers Tuesday that the legislation was much broader and could, in theory, be used against many facets of the fashion industry.

    Judges could also sanction those responsible for a magazine photo of a model whose “excessive thinness … altered her health,” she said.”
    (Source: http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/414632)

    The bill author specifically targets Pro-Anorexia, but is also fine with targeting the fashion industry more broadly. How do you define “excessive thinness”? I don’t say that to question that it can’t be defined – people will always come up with definitions, subjective as they may be – I’m just saying that who is to say that a judge can adequately define and rule on that? Even biomedical definitions are privy to loopholes, inadequacies, and subjectivity.

    It’s not that I necessarily think this is a wrong step – but I’m not convinced it would work. And I’m not convinced that the bill is narrow enough that a powerful juggernaut like the fashion industry won’t succeed in making sure it doesn’t get passed.

  6. KJosie says:

    I find it terrifying.

    What mamaV failed to mention was that people like Vanessa and I would be banged up in jail to – any websites that appear to be “pro-ana” would be included in this, and pro-ana sites are the main thing the French are getting upset about. And locking up anorexics is not the way to go.

    What i wonder about is where do they draw the line? How are people going to measure what “provoke a person to aspire to excessive thinness by encouraging prolonged food limitations” means?

  7. vive42 says:

    wait a minute- what about free speech? have you lost your mind, woman? i thought you were in favor of free speech????

    i mean, geez, i hate that fashion mag crap but hello, isn’t that why we have things like porn or hate groups that protest abortion clinics? beause free speech is so important even speech we completely disagree with NEEDS to be protected?

    i’m disgusted by you today. you’ve defended free speech before. i think you’ve lost your mind, supporting this.

  8. KJosie says:

    V – lovely to see you back :) I actually predicted that you were going to come in with the free speech argument … i must know you well!

  9. shanzeee says:

    maybe mamaV could get in trouble for posting thinspo in this blog.

    that would be funny.

  10. Mrs. B. says:

    Such mixed feelings about this.
    Free speech wasn’t really designed with this kind of stuff in mind. I’m a pretty strict constitutionalist. The Right to free speech was designed to protect political speech not porn. We’ve gone a little off the deep end to protect things that are just flat out not worthy of protecting.

  11. blah says:

    I agree with Vanessa. I detest fashion mags but I think this is the wrong way to do it. I’m a strong supporter of free speech. A government that has the power take away the right to “promote” anorexia also has the power to take away the right for YOU to speak out AGAINST anorexia.

  12. Grace says:

    Hmmm the world has a problem of anorexia how to deal with it i wonder? I KNOW! Lock up people who want to sell clothes and magazines!

    Whats this world coming to? Whats next? Skip a meal and you’re on probation?

  13. D says:

    That is one of the MOST RIDICULOUS things I’ve ever heard.
    Hello totalitarianism!

  14. Limafan says:

    I hate the French but this is great!

  15. vive42 says:

    mrs b- the reason porn has to be legal is because if you decide that only political speech is covered then who decides what is political? how far a step is it to decide that political speech is fine, as long as it’s not anti-government. or that political speech is fine, as long as it is affiliated with either the democratic or republican party. or that political speech of all kinds is fine, but this issue or that issue isn’t really political, because it’s been settled.

    what if someone said “the supreme court has answered the question of the legality of abortion, so speaking against it is just agitating and incitement, not politics” BAM there goes your right to speak against religion.

    i don’t like porn, although i don’t take it as seriously as you apparently do. i REALLY don’t like white supremicists or neo-nazis. but it is not such a big step to go from banning pro ana to banning anything you happen to disagree with the government on.

  16. vive42 says:

    (oops, i typoed. i meant BAM there goes your right to speak against abortion)

  17. Mrs. B. says:

    Vanessa,
    I don’t disagree. I’m just tired of pigs who have to take EVERYTHING to the extreme, who literally prey on our kids and say, “Hey, it’s up to the PARENTS to protect their kids.” Yes, it is. And unless you lock them up, put a monitor on their car and internet and never let them leave the house, they are going to be under attack from sickos.

    I believe what you say is true. I also believe that a lot of people are hiding under the First Amendment.

    I wouldn’t change things, I suppose, because I AM a strict constitutionalist, but you CANNOT IMAGINE how hard it is to raise a kid in this culture.

  18. vive42 says:

    i can imagine more than you think! growing up my brother was 10 years younger than i was, and i was the closest person to him in my family. so much of the time i felt like my parents trusted him WAY to much, and i cringed as he hung out with friends my parents believed were “good kids” who were in fact violent drug using little hooligans. my brother never got into any trouble but believe me, i spent his teenage years terrified and wishing my parents were stricter with him.

    how any parent who knows what things really are like out there can bear to let their child out of their sight is beyond me. good thing i don’t have kids, i’d be the worst type of parent, completely strict and fearful beyind reason.

  19. Mrs. B. says:

    Vanessa,
    Sounds to me like you’re pretty completely in touch with reality!!

    Who says you have disordered thinking!? You sound pretty rational to me! If we fix this creepy ED thing, there is no TELLING where you are going. I’m serious about that. Truly. You are brilliant and thoughtful.

  20. KJosie says:

    It seems like everyone has the right intentions – all anyone wants is for people to be healthy and happy – but no-one knows the right way to go about it.
    Our entire society promotes thinness and unrealistic beauty – but law and inprisonment aren’t the way to change it. And at the same time we don’t want to go in the other direction and say it’s okay to be obese – because that’s as big a problem as disordered eating. There must be a balance somewhere.
    There’s also the issue that some people are naturally thin or naturally curvy, and that’s how their bodies are. And they shouldn’t be under pressure to gain or lose weight to be what’s deemed “right” by everyone else. Naturally skinny people go through a lot because they’re accused of being anorexic (mamaV is guilty of this) or perpetuating beauty myths.

  21. missA says:

    Freedom of Speech is a constitutional right in the United States. This is not the United States we are talking about, it is France. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with what France is enforcing, but does anyone know France’s policy on freedom of speech? I don’t, but I would like to know before making up my mind how I feel about this new law. One can not argue freedom of speech when we are talking about a different country. Just because freedom of speech is a right in the United States, doesn’t mean that it is a right every where else in the world.

  22. Mrs. B. says:

    That’s all true, MissA, but an even greater challenge to the French proposal is that it is nearly impossible to enforce national laws on an international medium such as the internet.

    Just took a class in international law in my Master’s program. It’s a dilemma.

  23. missA says:

    Mrs B, I agree that it will definately be hard for France to enforce a law like this. It will be virtually impossible to enforce this law when it comes to the internet. Who is to decided what “provokes a person to aspire to excessive thinness by encouraging prolonged food limitations.” That I think is the real issue here, we can not argue about constitutional rights when our constitution does not apply to other countries.

  24. mamavision says:

    How is this even remotely related to free speech?

    This bill is aimed at modeling agencies, and the fashion industry that set their weight requirements at a deadly level, requiring women to starve in order to be successful in the industry.

    The magazines are a secondary impact of this bill. They can still print their rags, they just have to use, god forbid, maybe a size 4 or 6 model. I used the quote from the Elle spokeswoman because it was so totally preposterous, the reaction just totally out sync with reality….c’mon fretting about the mags being closed down?!!! Give me a break.

    This is a complete and total farce that this conversation turned into one of free speech…or am I totally missing something?

    On Josie’s point, pro ana sites that promote being anorexia can exist, they will just get fined. They will have to figure out a more private way to communicate their lifestyle. No law is going to stop that effort.

    Think big picture here- they are going after marketers, big business, they care about where the money is going to. That’s fashion, driven by models plain and simple.

    -mamaV

  25. KJosie says:

    MamaV – I think this bill is further-reaching than just model sizes. Unfortunately it’s unclear in the reports exactly what “provoke a person to aspire to excessive thinness by encouraging prolonged food limitations” really means and different reports of the bill are focusing on different things that will be effected.
    Skinny models are not directly “encouraging prolonged food limitations” for example, whereas the diet plans that are printed in the likes of Elle are (and that could be an infringement on free speech).

    And as MissA points out – free speech is quite an American value – other countries don’t advocate it as strongly (from my observations as a European).

  26. missA says:

    MamaV- I think the issue of free speech was brought up because you have stated in previous posts that you will not moderate or erase comments because of your strong belief in free speech. Some are questioning how you can believe in free speech, but also support a law that would be suppressing that same freedom of speech.

    I don’t think freedom of speech has anything to do with this law. As Josie stated (thank you Josie), freedom of speech seems to be more of an American value, and this is not an American law we are discussing. Sometimes I think people cry “free speech” so they can get away with saying anything they want. But that is another topic.

  27. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    so people with ana and mia are going to be fined? what about all the obese people? what about the models that need to be that thin to get jobs? maybe in france it wont be a problum but you have to travel. thats stupid i hope the law dosn’t pass. i know it wont because its so fucking stupid!

  28. gabby says:

    Wow, I definitely understand why this is an awful idea. But Amber, that must be the dumbest comment I’ve read on this blog. I’m sorry.

    The “poor models” that won’t be able to starve themselves now? …What? And how would people with “ana” and “mia” be fined? People with eating disorders don’t promote it… at least I should hope that most don’t.

  29. KJosie says:

    Amber – no, people with anorexia or bulimia will not be fined, nor the obese either.
    Those who promote excessive thinness or food restriction (fashion magazines, pro-ana website mods, fashion designers) may be fined in France. Models will probably become more normal-sized in France, like they have in Spain.

  30. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    that waht im saying, but models can’t just work in france when they get jobs they have to go other places and i doubt any other designer wants an normal sized model. pluse sized maybe but not like size 6. As for the ana mia thing sdid i mis undrstand, are people who are extreamly thin being finned or is it only thouse who promote it? i though it was both.

  31. KJosie says:

    Amber – well with there already being countries with the restrictions France is considering, it shouldn’t be a problem.
    And no, of course thin people will not get fined – that’s insane.

  32. MeAgain says:

    I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this already, but don’t u just LOVE the “Help Fight Hunger” banner on top of the article when u hover on the link?
    Niiice…

  33. Aureate says:

    I’m sorry, but this law is bullshit. “provok[ing] a person to aspire to excessive thinness by encouraging prolonged food limitations”?

    Okay, I am well over the healthy weight for someone my height and age. What if I saw a hypothetical magazine, one that showed women of healthy weights? What if the fact that these healthy women were smaller than me made me decide I wanted to be skinny, and so started to starve myself? What if my self-image was so bad that even when I got down to a healthy weight, I continued to starve because I couldn’t see myself as the same size as these perfectly healthy women?

    That magazine, by the letter of the law, would deserve to be fined. Even though they had healthy models on every page.

    Not to mention that this gives us all a lovely outlet. Oh, yes, it’s all the media’s fault. Heaven forbid we FORCE these girls to stop eating through pictures on a page.

    We also should never portray anything negative on the news. After all, it’ll only give people ideas of horrible things to do. It’s all the media’s fault when copycat killers show up, in fact those killers shouldn’t be blamed at all – if it weren’t for the media, they never would have done it.

    The political correctness of our world is starting to make it so that we can’t get away with anything! Put a skinny girl on television, you’re promoting anorexia. A fat girl? Binge eating. And there will always, ALWAYS, be someone who thinks any given girl is too fat or too skinny. Skinny is only a matter of how big you perceive yourself to be.

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