Calling All Stalkers

You are cordially invited to call, email, and generally piss off the royal Council of Fashion Designers of America (CFDA) as we count down the days to New York Fashion Week starting February 1st, 2008

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Logo and Image from the new CFDA website, nice skeleton.

These are the morons that launched the lamest “health initiative” to date. This was your basic cover their ass strategy devised after four, count em’ 4, models died in the past year and a half.

Not from anorexia, but emaciation (that’s two levels PAST anorexia) according to the World Health Organization.

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Deceased models from left: Hila, Luisel & Eliana Ramos (yes they are sisters), and Ana.

I’ve had a great time calling over the past year, paying them an undercover visit back in May, and most recently actually getting a hold of a live person on the phone which knocked me off my chair (although she was quite snippy).

Director of Public Relations, Karen Petersen, took the time to speak to me only to quickly rush me off the phone. She was unwilling to provide any update on their year old iniative (my guess is because there is none), and then briskly assured me I would hear back from her PR Manager Danielle Billingkoff.

No word yet and not holding my breath. Not good PR ladies.

I don’t want you to have to google their number, since they conveniently left it off their web site, so here it is:

Phone number 212-302-1821

Oh, and in order to contact the CFDA you have to hunt their web site, it’s buried in the damn site map, nice:

Email form here

Feel free to ask them to call me back, they have my number. Or, simply ask them questions of your own, like “what the hell have you done in the year since you launched your CYA strategy?”

Here’s me doing some stalking of my own.

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94 Responses to Calling All Stalkers

  1. jane says:

    here’s a direct quote from the “about” section of the CFDA site:

    “…to raise its artistic and professional standards; …to promote appreciation of the fashion arts…”

    i don’t see why people view pro-ana as a bad thing. i see it as a form of extreme artistic expression. maybe people just can’t take it now, just like they couldn’t accept porn 15 or 20 years ago or whatever….with time, people will and should get use to skinnies.

  2. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    Like i said on youtube, im calling tommorow..whos with me?

  3. Rachel says:

    I’m calling. I’m calling tomorrow.
    As far as “raising its artistic and professional standards…” This isn’t about art, Jane. It’s about people’s LIVES at stake. This is WHY pro-ana CAN be dangerous.

    “People will and should get used to skinnies.” Okay… Riiiiight. Forgive me for attacking your opinion, but that comes off as incredibly presumptous and bitchy. I could care less if that is a person’s natural frame. There are skinny people. There are fat people. There are people in between. There is no reason that we should all be fucking brainwashed into thinking that one way is great and another is crap… And namely speaking, the “great” way being incredibly dangerous and life-threatening…

    But, I suppose that with time, us “fatties” will blend into the woodwork while “people will and should get used to skinnies…”

  4. Nats says:

    Im with Rachel on this one! And I can be a VERY good stalker (ok not that great but not bad either) I will phone them today, and tomorrow, and Monday! etc etc etc I will hound them until they get very bored and annoyed at me for it! Do I care? NOPE, will they actually care?? NOPE But who cares, cant change anything if we dont try!

    Nats
    xxx

    P.S, shouldnt we just all bombard their office and sit in the doorway until someone listens to us?? Now that would make good press! I can see it now “mamaVISION army takes on CFDA” he he maybe im still drunk but it sounds like a plan to me still!

  5. Anonymous says:

    Oh no! Not the models! Not the poor, poor models!

    Oh please. Women (and increasingly men) are the ones being subjected to this impossible standard of beauty. THAT is the problem. Poor US, man. It’s hard to feel bad for you, Mamavision, and your brief flirtation with an eating disorder when you were perpetuating an unhealthy standard of beauty while doing so. Think: Jane Fonda, only less gruesome.

    I like posts on the Beauty Myth and how it harms women at large, but I think this misses the point entirely.

  6. gabby says:

    MamaV, what are you going to say when you do reach a listening ear? What are you trying to accomplish?

    Jane, at first I was absolutely shocked by your comment. But then I remembered thinking that exactly. The romance in a starving artist. I understand. Your body is an object, a blank canvas, to be transformed into whatever you please. I get that. I feel like this way of thinking is very different from that of anorectics. It’s much less a conscious decision but a painful coping mechanism. Thoughts like yours can easily progress into a full blown disorder, one that leaves you with medical ailments that will never go away. You are stuck with the damages for life. Pro-ana will never be “safe” or “healthy”, starvation destroys the body.
    Goddamn, I just want everyone to love themselves.

  7. gabby says:

    PS- I called. “Sorry, there is no space for recording in this mailbox.”

  8. mamavision says:

    Hi Jane: The problem with pro anorexia is it is deadly. What other artistic form of expression is calling for a human to mold their frame into a deadly form?

    Models will always be exceptionally thin. The issue here is they have taken it two steps BEYOND anorexia as defined by the World Health Organization. Think about that. We are talking emaciation, and these girls are still walking the runway? It’s psycho.

    But I understand why it is happening. When you are in the world of the ultra beauties, its the twilight zone. You conform to the rules, fashion is king, and you will stop at nothing to achieve the body image that is REQUIRED.

    -mamaV

  9. mamavision says:

    Awesome Amber, and thank you! Don’t forget to jam their email box as well. That’s even easier.

    Here’s the link: http://www.cfda.com/index.php?option=com_cfda_content&task=contact_cfda

  10. mamavision says:

    Hi Anonomous: How is this post missing the point? Where do you think the impossible standard of beauty stems from?

    This hits to the core as far as I am concerned, but I would like to hear your perspective.

    Thanks!
    mamaV

  11. mamavision says:

    Hi Gabby: That is great that their voicemail box is jammed already, I never got that message when I called so let’s flood them. What a bunch of cowards. Try email as an alternative, link posted above.

    First. read the official press release of their health initiative from January 2007:
    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/CFDAHEALTHINITIATIVE20070112.pdf

    Then, you ask your own questions, I would prefer not to put words in anyones mouth. If you agree with my take on this great! If you pull out other issues, hammer them! If you think this is a great initiative, then simply ask for an update on status.

    Go nuts girls,
    mamaV

  12. Josie says:

    mamaV – i think Anonymous has a point. Have you read The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf? It isn’t the fashion industry that’s causing all the pro-thin pressure on absolutely everyone else, it’s not the core. They’re in a better position to battle against it than we are, and have more responsibility to, but they still have pressure on them to have skeletal models on the runway.
    The core is much much deeper than the fashion industry – it’s political and financial.
    I’d recommend you read and research, and find out where all this is really coming from.

  13. Rachel says:

    I think that the point here is that A.) FOUR, count them, FOUR models DIED of emaciation (2 steps past anorexia, remember). The CFDA made a token health initiative a year ago to get the fire off. They have done nothing for it since then. That is the problem at hand.

    As far as the core of this problem, I don’t know where to begin. If the fashion industry are indeed the puppet, then who is operating the puppet? When you say that it’s political and financial? I believe the financial aspect of it. Get these skeletal models on the runway, make impossible standards for women to look at, make women feel horrible about themselves. Horrible enough to buy exercise equipment, diet pills, etc. Bingo! Diet industry makes money on their misery. It appears to be a vicious cycle.

    As for the problem at hand: my theory is that due to these aforementioned pressures (financial and otherwise), the designers have to use sacks of bone to strut their stuff. Get women focused on how crappy they feel about themselves in order to avoid them having serious thought and insight… It keeps them at bay… Stops them from thinking about other things, like the blatant sexism that runs rampant everywhere you look. They didn’t have this tool in the 60s, I don’t think.

  14. Limafan says:

    I don’t know how anyone in the fashion world can see that picture of Hila and not want to take action. I don’t care how much $$ is in it, it is never worth death.I will email them for sure!

    * All of those deaths are tragic, I only said Hila because she’s the one there are pics of so close to the end of her fight. I just feel the need to clarify because some users on here like to look for things to be mad at.*

  15. Tanya says:

    God, that’s heartbreaking. People don’t get that when you’re immersed in an industry where unrealistic ideals are promoted as the norm, it becomes YOUR norm.

    I’m a photographer and spend a lot of time around people who are taller, thinner and prettier than me. I don’t dislike myself or wish I looked like the people I take photographs of, but sometimes it’s really hard to keep a sane view of my own appearance when I’m having a fat day anyway (don’t we all have those at times?) and then spend hours making amazing looking people look even more amazing in pictures that people will look at and say “Wow, she’s so beautiful!”. It’s difficult to look in the mirror and think “yeah, I’m acceptable” after that.

    I remember last year chatting to one model who said something about how she didn’t see why people thought that plus size had to mean unattractive. In her words “I mean, there are plenty of size 12 woman who look great”. Size 12 in the UK is like a US size 8. Hardly plus size. Skewed perceptions all over the place.

  16. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    Thanks mama, i think its important they know that it’s efecting the pre teens too. seriously i shouldn’t be having these problums im friggin 13…

  17. mamavision says:

    Hi Josie: I read it, and I get it. It’s about money. We have our responsibilities.

    Still bottomline for me is the fashion industry holds the power for change. Is it too damn much to ask to make the size requirements non-deadly?

    Crap, they can go back to the sizes that were required back in my day, you had to be skinny yes, but emaciated? Hell no.

    This is cut and dried for me. And please do me a favor and cut the condecending tone for someone else. It’s tired.

    -mamaV

  18. mamavision says:

    Amber, at 13 you should be out having a blast, learning about all the excitement of life. Instead you are bombarded at the mall, on the web, and on cable TV with sexual, skinny, fake beauty images and being lead by insecure mothers, sisters, and aunt’s that have spent their entire life dieting their life away.

    The whole thing is pathetic, and the more smart and informed 13 year olds like you the better we all are.

    Take care!
    mamaV
    XOXO

  19. Lara says:

    Oh shut up already.
    You’re not saving anyone.
    We’re not saveable.
    So stop wasting your time on us.
    Give up just like everybody else.

  20. Sass1948 says:

    well, i’m astounded. what r we supposed to say to them though?

  21. Sass1948 says:

    ohhhh just watched ur vid – i see. get the feeling none of us are gonna get answers. they’re prob beavering away right now with some B.S. statement they can release?

  22. Josie says:

    MV – i’m not objecting to the fact that models are too thin and that it’s a good idea that that changes. And the fashion industry changing is a good start for others changing.
    But the fashion industry is not the core – Anonymous is right. That’s my point.

    And condescending tone …. hypocritical?

  23. Anonymous says:

    It stems from the fact that it’s impossible. That is all. Harassing these people will do nothing. Posting emo pity videos about the poor dead models will do nothing.

  24. Hillary says:

    It’s impossible to say “it doesn’t stem from the media,” because it does. maybe not for everyone but out there, there are girls who are the way they are because of the images they are psychologically attacked with on a daily basis. Society raises us to have metal problems of all kinds and then treats us like aliens and lepers because of them. It’s a vicious cycle.

    For those of us who think that calling in and giving them a piece of our minds is going to make any difference at all to anyone, anywhere, then it’s worth it.

    For those who say things like “We’re not saveable,” and “Posting emo pity videos about the poor dead models will do nothing,” please enjoy your weakness. By refusing to believe that things can change and get better, you’re taking the mentally lazy route. It’s easier to label something “hopeless” than it is to try and actually make a difference.

  25. janemarie says:

    Ohhh…. Im on it! This is a perfect opportunity for everyone to really attack the fashion industry in force! I’m all for barracading the front doors, I’ll be there Nats!!

    I really wish that people would quit trying to say that the fashion industry has nothing to do with anything… looking at those photos tells a whole different story. It breaks my heart. Right, email….

    Lara, the point is, MV is saving people. For certain… I’m one, Nats is another… MV is unique in that she wont give up! No matter how much people want her to, she wont… which is why she IS making a difference. I hope you keep visiting the site, maybe post on the forum? xxx

  26. MotherLove says:

    This may be the most unpopular advice for thwarting the evil fashion industry.
    (becasue it will be thwarted, eventually)
    and saving people…
    but here it goes,

    We must face ALL our sins, and repent.
    Jesus is the only way.

    It’s one thing to save someones life,
    but what about the soul?

    Rotten Perverted souls are the cause here.

    I look forward to the time when God will
    Rejuvenate the earth
    and destroy ALL the evil in it.

    What a glorious Day that will be.

    I want to thank Mama V
    for mentioning God at times.
    Because that’s what we truly need…

    Less of us and more of Him….

  27. Julia says:

    why do you do this? the fashion industry is not the problem and the problem will not end if they stop using models that you think are too thin. the problem will certainly not end if you send your internet army after the cdfa.

    the more i think about it all, the more it seems like this is just some weird ploy for attention on your part. surely you must comprehend that you are not accomplishing anything by all this. what do you expect to achieve by sending your gullible teenage audience after the cdfa? surely you must understand the politics involved, and the money and social power one must have to initiate change.

    do you crave the attention, just as these girls do?

    mind you, i fully support you serving as some sort of voice of reason or what have you to these girls that are clearly so desperate to have someone pay them attention… or as a warning to otherwise oblivious parents and those left out of the know in regards to the phenomena of the internet and eating disorders/disordered eating, but when does that stop and some sort of cult-like community begin to form?

    is this not a blatant misuse of the power youve cultivated?

  28. Julia says:

    to tanya: i work as a photographer also, around models that, as you said, are taller and thinner than i am. i still don’t agree with all this though and i can guarantee you most of my colleagues do not as well.

  29. Sass1948 says:

    HA.HA.HA. at motherlove – a real live alien!!!! I never saw a real live alien’s writing before – thanks mamav for this blog & enabling a voice for real live alien beings!!! coooooool

  30. MotherLove says:

    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    Mama V does good to expose them.

    Ephesians 5

    1Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

    3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them.

    8For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9(for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10and find out what pleases the Lord. 11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said:
    “Wake up, O sleeper,
    rise from the dead,
    and Christ will shine on you.”

    15Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. 19Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, 20always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
    Wives and Husbands

    22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31″For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

  31. kelly says:

    i guess for some of you people your religion helps you…just keep it to your damn self! puh-leez!

  32. Mrs. B. says:

    MotherLove,

    I appreciate that you are a Christian person. I agree that anyone with an eating disorder can benefit from approaching their disorder from a whole-person approach. My daughter is currently in a faith-based residential program. She is reconnecting with her faith. But there is also a psychological and physical component to an eating disorder. God gave us professionals who have spiritual gifts. But getting on this board and quoting a lot of scripture is not in itself useful. Please don’t turn people AWAY from God with your good intentions.

  33. Rachel says:

    Kelly – agreed.

    Mrs. B – Well spoken.

    Motherlove – don’t jam religion down my throat. I take personal responsibility for all of my actions. I do not use a Jesus figure to absolve myself of them. I know that it may be important to you, but some things are best left unsaid. It’s not about being popular or unpopular in opinion in this case. It’s simply that not everybody shares your enthusiasm for christianity. By doing what you have done, Mrs. B. pointed out that you are turning people away with your good intentions. The road to Hell is paved with them.

    MV – ROCK ON! I’ll be making my calls and E-mails later.

    Julia – Change begins with one person. And I take offense to being referred to as part of a “gullible teenage audience”, as many will here. Many people here are not teenagers. There are some, but to brand the entire group here as such is not only demeaning to those of us who aren’t, but a broad paintbrush generalization that needs to be stopped in its tracks.

    A lot of people get wrapped up in the process and lose their passion for a cause these days. In the internet days of ADHD newscasts, 30 second sound bytes, and a constant barage of imagery, its no wonder our public are so damn apathetic. Yeah, there are politics to cut through, but if people just roll over because of those politics, then change does not happen. Did Martin Luther King Jr. care about the thick blanket of politics and standards that he would have to cut through to stand up for what’s right? Of course not!! So, damn it, let’s fight! This is a dangerous game for the industry to play. People’s LIVES are at stake. It’s not a crime to want to save people from fitting into impossible beauty standards that will eventually cause death.

  34. Mrs. B. says:

    I just left my message with Karen Peterson.
    I told her that I appreciated the CFDA’s “first step”….that I thought it was a gesture in the right direction.

    I told her that I have a daughter in a residential treatment facility – $70,000 out of pocket – not covered by insurance – not to mention the costs of having had to pull her out of college and all the expenses lost there. I told her that although I see eating disorders as complicated mental health issues, the rise in them among young western women indicates to me that they are influenced externally. My daughter has been heavily influenced by the unhealthy body images purported by the fashion industry, both as a whole and by specific high profile designers, and that it has contributed significantly to my daughter’s unrealistic and distorted body image.

    I told her that our family is among the fortunate who can afford this dramatic level of intervention, but that many, many more women could not. I told her that as a result, I saw that our family might be just the family to begin a class action against the industry and against specific leading designers who are perpetuating this life-threatening state of affairs. I told her again that I appreciated the “first steps” of the CFDA and that if I saw, over the course of the next six months or so, significant movement on their behalf, that perhaps I would leave them out of the class-action.

    Hmm. Anybody else in on this?

  35. mamavision says:

    Dear Anonomous: You may just sit there and continue to be Anonomous until you find something that you are passionate about.

    I am passionate about this topic, and I believe that I can help instigate change. What the heck is life about if you don’t stand for something?

    Whether or not we make any impact is not the goal. The goal is to try.

    -mamaV

  36. mamavision says:

    Julia: It’s called passion.
    -mamaV

  37. mamavision says:

    Mrs. B: Thank you for calling Karen Petersen and articulating so very well how ED’s have impacted your life.

    We can debate all day long about whether or not fashion and media play a role in this problem. But the reality is you live it, see it, and experience it. If you are the only mom in the world that has a daughter that took this path because of fashion influence, then this is worth our time.

    -mamaV

  38. Hillary says:

    “22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.”

    things like this make me dislike religion. also people who attempt to make me eat, breathe, and sleep jesus. or any other deity (or son of a deity). it’s just not my thing. if it was my thing, i have plenty of opportunity to go and be a jesus-lover. i come to this blog to get away from that… stuff.

  39. MotherLove says:

    Question,
    If God’s loving truth turns people away from God,
    Well….what in the world would turn people toward Him?

    I turn no one away from God.
    His word is powerful and it’s the truth.

    The person to blame is the person who turns away from God and the truth. It’s a choice. Freewill.

    I hope you will have a hunger for God, someday.

    http://www.wayofthemaster.com
    The Way of the Master

    Hope this site useful to any of you.

    “I’m a Good Person!”

    The more I take the scary step of starting a conversation about God with a friend, a family member, or a stranger, I find that the most common reason people think they’re going to Heaven, is that they are a “good person.”

    Instinctively, we all know that it comes down to this issue of “goodness,” or as the Bible puts it, “righteousness.” That is why Jesus made it the issue to the self-righteous seeker in Mark 10:17-22. It’s always the issue with sinners. It will be the only issue facing us in the Court of Eternal Justice. Will we be innocent or guilty? On the Day of Judgment, all the money in the world will be worthless compared to the value of being found “good” in the eyes of God. But the Bible says, “There is none righteous. Not even one.” Jesus said, “No one is good, except God alone.” But this Biblical statement is very difficult to accept. I know many people who would be offended by this accusation, because they consider themselves to be very “good.” But from God’s perfect perspective, we all fall short of His standard, and are in desperate need of His forgiveness. So how do we help a person see themselves from God’s perspective? We can do what Jesus did and show them the mirror of the Ten Commandments. (Mark 10:17-22, Luke 18:18-23)

    Until people see themselves for who they really are, or aren’t, they can’t be helped. It is through the knowledge of our true sinful state, that we see our need for a Savior. As long as we fool ourselves into thinking that we are inherently “good,” we will not see the need to turn from our ungodly lifestyles, and forsake our own goodness in order to receive the righteousness that comes from God. Until we agree with God that our heart “is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked,” until we truly believe that “I am a worm…a sinner, unworthy, unclean, and unholy,” we will not be willing to die to ourselves, forsake all, pick up our cross, and depend wholly on Jesus to save us. Until we see that we have the disease, we will not appreciate the cure.

    And we must help others properly diagnose the disease in themselves or the cure won’t make sense. If in our conversations with the unsaved, we remain on the surface of their “felt needs” without cutting deep into the issues of sin and righteousness, we are merely putting band-aids on their superficial boo-boos to make them feel better, but neglecting the gaping wound that is draining their life’s blood.

    It’s like a doctor, not wanting to upset his cancerous patient, deciding its best not to talk about the cancer, but rather discuss the patient’s feelings of unhappiness and discomfort. As the doctor gains the patient’s trust and establishes a “personal friendship”, he finally gives him some aspirin to relieve the pain. Upon hearing the news that his patient has died, the “compassionate” doctor consoles himself with the thought that at least he didn’t upset or offend the patient before he died. Without the knowledge of his true condition, the patient will not benefit from the cure, but will die from the disease. This kind of doctor would be removed from the medical community without hesitation. His lack of honesty and compassion for his patients disqualify him and reserve him a place with the liars and cowards.

    God’s Word says, “the cowardly…and all liars will have their place in the Lake of Fire.” (Revelation 21:8) If we merely call ourselves followers of Christ, but are unwilling to properly diagnose and treat the cancer of sin in our patients, we are merely giving empty promises in the form of spiritual aspirin. If we have been truly saved by God’s grace, will obey Jesus’ commandments (John 14:23), and faithfully preach the gospel to every creature. We have been commanded to snatch them from the fire before it’s too late. We must not let our fears stand in the way of helping those we love. If we truly love people, we must not cave to the world’s pressure of being “politically correct” and “tolerant” of their false beliefs, but rather go to them, and earnestly plead with them about eternity. We ought to be like a wise and compassionate surgeon, using the scalpel of the Ten Commandments to expose the cancer of sin, persuading each patient that his disease is “not good”. Then they will desire the cure. They will thirst for true righteousness. And by the power of the Holy Spirit, they can be transformed by the grace and mercy of God.

  40. Gabi says:

    hhhmmm mother love, your very good at quoteing “the word of G-d” yet not explaining it to anyone. Myself i dont believe in jesus (im not saying he wasnt real…but i dont believe he was the son of G-d). Ive always wanted to know this motherlove so maybe you can explain, Im Jewish (and damn proud of it) and i have been told plenty of times i am going to “hell” (we dont belive in hell and satan) because i dont believe in jesus, and i have an unclean soul yada yada yada. Yet i lead a spiritual life, i learn the works and scriptures of my religion (which is actually very similar to yours) and i try to interegrate it into my daily life to make me a better person. So why am i going to hell? (just to clarify here i know you personally havent said im going to hell, i just have never been presented with the oppertunity to ask anyone).

    eerrr mamaV still not convinced the media causes eating disorders. its doesnt help, but not the cause. good luck though.

  41. Hillary says:

    I agree with Gabi, MotherLove. Perhaps you could explain it. From what I understand (and I do not, nor ever have attended church, read the Bible, or anything of that sort. I’m openly revealing my ignorance here and asking for clarification), you can be the best person it is possible for you to be, but if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior… you’re going to Hell anyway. And yet, you could commit the most atrocious sins, but if you repent and call out to God, let him into your life, ask forgiveness… it’s granted and you’ve got yourself a pass to Heaven. Now, that’s my understanding, and I gleaned that from what you said and what I’ve learned of religion in years passed. Call me crazy, but if that’s how the religion works, it’s not something I have an interest in. I would rather be a good person (and in absolutely no way, shape, or form do I believe that God is the only true “good” being) of my own volition than be a good person because my religion tells me to (or worse, not be a good person because I know that if I ask for forgiveness, I’m set).

    I’m sorry MamaV, this is not the place for this conversation, but I really can’t help myself.

  42. MotherLove says:

    Why am I going to hell?

    “How should I witness to a Jew?”

    Sadly, many of today’s Jews profess godliness but don’t embrace the Scriptures as we presume they do. Therefore, it is often difficult to reason with them about Jesus being the Messiah. This is why it is imperative to ask a Jew if he has kept the Law of Moses—to “shut” him up under the Law (Galatians 3:23) and strip him of his self- righteousness. The Law will show him his need of a Savior and become a “schoolmaster” to bring him to Christ (Galatians 3:24), as happened to Paul, Nicodemus, and Nathaniel. It was the Law that brought 3,000 Jews to the foot of the cross on the Day of Pentecost. Without it they would not have known that they had sinned (Romans 7:7), and therefore would not have seen their need of the Savior. See Luke 18:20 footnote for how to use the Law in evangelism.

    For more information,
    Please do visit The Way Of The Master
    Also, get yourself a good K.J.V bible.
    This will take a while.
    It requires you to do your homework.

    Then you can be sure! and know the truth for yourself.

    I am on the journey too,
    Welcome fellow traveler!

    Peaceful Journey!

    :o)

  43. Mrs. B. says:

    Hillary,
    I would like to recommend a book for someone who has questions about religion. An amazing book written by a Harvard Law guy who was once an atheist. His wife became a Christian. It bugged the heck out of him. This brilliant man studied Christianity really hard to prove to her that she was a loon. In the course of his research, he discovered that he changed his mind. He wrote an amazing book called, “The Case for Christ”. I think it is hard for a logical person to read this book and not come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was just exactly who he said he was – the son of God. But I don’t want to annoy people here. I will just say that if you want to understand Christianity and what Christians believe, it is a great place to start…especially if you are a logically based person.

    And Mama….there is NO DOUBT that my daughter and lots of other girls are at the very least INFLUENCED by a desire to be thin. Not everyone. I agree. But many. Otherwise, why are the anorexics and bulimics skyrocketing while the models get skinnier and skinnier.

  44. Hillary says:

    Thanks Mrs. B, I will absolutely look into it.

  45. Hillary says:

    MotherLove… you’ve explained nothing. All I saw in your response was scripture (or whatever it is) being spouted. Can you try to explain something to me without Bible verses in every other sentence? For all I know you could be making these things up. I’m not saying that you are, I’m simply stating that the words have no meaning behind them to me. You’re speaking the language of the Bible, and I don’t know that language, so I don’t understand. If you could translate the things you’re saying into more… agnostic-friendly words, perhaps I would be more understanding.

  46. Gabi says:

    Hillary…exactly what i was thinking when motherlove tried to answer my question!!

    for one, in judiasm there is no such thing as the law of moses…which is why you wont find a jew living by it. Moses recieved the Torah (our bible) from G-d, who then recited it to the jews at Mount Siani.
    All those people you quoted…i have no idea who they are or what your going on about. Our scriptures are not your scriptures which is why we dont live by them and all you have done is quote them…not even explained them. And to me, the messiah has not been born yet let alone him be jesus. But, again i repeat, i am a good person, i learn, i make mistakes and try to correct them. I dont live all my life word for word by jewish law (me and hashem will deal with that when i die lol) but i dont get why its believed if you dont have jesus in your life your going to hell. Please dont quote anymore scriptures/books whatever it was you quoted, unless your using them to explain it to me. Cos i dont understand them. you believe jesus is the massiah and you seem evry spiritual (otherwise you wouldnt have the deep belief you do) yet in the jewish religion we dont believe your going to hell cos you havent “embraced” what we believe…so why do christains (and i know not all christians!!) believe that those who dont embrace jesus go to hell?

  47. Mrs. B. says:

    Definitely don’t start with King James. That’s a pretty tough read. I laugh at the people who think that the KJV is the ONLY Bible to read. No offense MotherLove. The KJV is a translation. They are ALL translations. And did you know that beloved KJV was commissioned by a GAY king? No kidding. I’ll bet you didn’t know that. I think a better Bible for a beginner is the New International Version. It’s a pretty careful translation. But MotherLove, face it. You can’t read Hebrew, so you’re reading a translation too. It’s just in very old English. Incomprehensible to a lot of people. Did you know that the KJV uses a full 600 English words that have either disappeared or completely changed meaning? Seriously. If you want to read the Bible and you are a beginner – start with a more modern translation. Personally, I read them all. The KJV is beautiful and lyrical and now that I know what it means, I love it. But I did not start there.

    A Jew can go to heaven if they are able to follow the literal law of the Old Testament. Fortunately for a lot of us too imperfect to “live under the law” perfectly, God gave us Jesus Christ to forgive us our human imperfections. Personally, I am grateful. That is one of my biggest reasons for loving my faith. I can’t find another faith that allows you to be human and be saved.

  48. MotherLove says:

    You go to hell if you are a sinner,
    and someone else does not pay for your sin.

    The test to see if you are a sinner,
    Do you sin?

    Note: that a normal thief steals at most a couple times a day.

    Do you sin, at most, a couple times a day? or more than that?

    If you are a sinner, then you have a debt to pay.
    and the penalty of that is your life.

    Since we are ALL sinners, no one can pay anyones debt, they can’t pay their own.

    So God came as Christ,
    Did not sin,
    and died for all who will accept him as their SAVIOR.

    So, if you require MORE info, on Salvation
    First YOU have to determine “are you a Sinner?”

    If you don’t truly believe that you are a sinner,
    you are just stuck.

    No info I can give can ever help you.

  49. Hillary says:

    One can only believe he is a sinner if he believes in “sin” I believe that people do bad things and make mistakes. It’s human. Some make more mistakes than others, and some make worse mistakes than others. Conversely, people also do amazing things. If there is a Hell it should be reserved for those who knowingly commit malevolent deeds (“sins” in your words) with no remorse, no reason, and no desire to make right for it. I feel I am a good person because, though I do make mistakes (and I make them often, I will admit), I do the best I can to do right by other people and to rectify my mistakes. And I feel that if there is a Heaven, my place should be secured in it because I have, to the best of my abilities, tried to ensure that the world is a beautiful place with happy people who are safe, and content. If I go to Hell because I’m trying to be the best person I know how to be, then so be it. If God is real, then he should understand what I’m saying and he and I can have a chat about whether or not he condemns me.

  50. Hillary says:

    And what about Jesus himself. Did he accept himself as his savior? or did he go to Hell? And what about all those who lived before Christianity was invented? Paganism and a variety of other religions were around for far longer than Christianity. Why didn’t God let people know about his existence before he did? And why did he change so much between testaments. He’s loving right? Wasn’t he once angry and spiteful? He flooded the Earth to wipe out life, for crying outloud.

  51. Mrs. B. says:

    Hillary,
    Really try to read “The Case for Christ”. All of those kinds of “logical” feelings you have are really addressed…and they do seem logical until you study a little more. Unfortunately, man thinks like man and God is God. Lee Strobel is really good at working you through from where he was to where he ended up….which is one of the most famous Christian writers, next to perhaps CS Lewis….who is also amazing. I recommend a book called Mere Christianity (Lewis). CS Lewis began his journey as an atheist too. He’s also a truly great read, but a little harder to read than Lee Strobel.

  52. Mrs. B. says:

    You probably remember CS Lewis for his non-Christian writing….stuff like The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe….which uses a lot of religious symbolism, but was written for the more secular audience.

  53. MotherLove says:

    Christ never sinned.
    He wasn’t just a man he was God.

    Nothing new, since you believe the flood
    then you know that even back then, they all knew the truth and they chose to reject Him.

    Right after Adam and Eve sinned he promised Christ ie that eve would have a seed that would crush the serpents head.

    God is not just Loving is is also Just.

    Question,
    What would love be without justice?

  54. Hillary says:

    I remember CS Lewis. I hated his writing, haha.

    I’m not atheist, for the record. I believe there’s something. There has to be something. However, I don’t feel that I will ever be in any knowledgeable position, no matter how many books I read, to decide who is and who is not God, or a god, or a goddess, or an ascended being. I am not arrogant enough to believe that I know anything is for certain. Not that those who believe are arrogant, they just have more confidence and faith than I.

  55. Hillary says:

    Well MotherLove, I think it’s kind of silly to place my love and life in the hands of a God who is prone to drowning the Earth when the people on it have been unsatisfactory. I never said I believed the flood (I have no inclination to believe or disbelieve it’s existence)

    “Christ never sinned.
    He wasn’t just a man he was God.”
    How can one be his own son and father? was he the son of God, or was he God?

  56. Mrs. B. says:

    Hillary….seriously…..don’t give up on learning about Christianity that quickly. I think all of the major religions deserve some thought. Interestingly, ALL of the major religions mention Jesus….I’m just SAYING! (haha)

    Find The Case for Christ. It is a mindblowing book. I seriously don’t see how you can read it and not come away convinced. And I’m a pretty tough sell.

  57. MotherLove says:

    Faith comes by hearing,
    and hearing by the word of God.

    Be not only hearers of the word,
    but doers also.

    Faith is the substance of things yet hoped for.
    the EVIDENCE of things NOT YET SEEN.

    I know that scripture is hard,
    but this is so simple to understand, Beloved.
    And the holy spirit will help you.

    Please just be open with God, and ask of him, sincerely to reveal himself to you.

    I pray it brings you peace and comfort,
    In Christ.

  58. Mrs. B. says:

    Hillary God came as three because he had to. We couldn’t fully get our arms around God….because he is …well, he’s God. So he gave us his Holy Spirit to move us. You know, like your conscience….what tells you now what is right and how to behave. The Spirit already moves in you. And he sent his Son because we just can’t get it right because we are human. His son lived on earth so that we could physically SEE righteous living. And then God sacrificed his son so that we could be forgiven. As a mother of a son, that sounds CRAZY to me…..the most horrible thing I can imagine….which is why it is so obviously a display of how much he loved US!!! He gave his SON for us. Wow. And the Father, the Son and the Spirit….they were ALL God. Working for us in different ways.

  59. MotherLove says:

    How does one create a universe?

    Figure out how,
    and being the Father and the Son
    will be a piece of cake :::wink:::

  60. Gabi says:

    mrs B..please by all means do not think that i think i am perfect, and those who dont live under jewish law are imperfect. I mentioned that even i dont live my life totally by jewish law (way to hard for me). I have heard about the “being saved” and i can completely understand how it makes people feel!!!! Hell i wish we had that. But you have something a little confused. We dont go to hevean only if we literally live by the old testement. I used to think that so i was a dead cert in not getting into hevean lol. So i did some learning. Hevean and helll (this is in the jewish sense btw) isnt the way that modern soceity views it as in all white and holy in hevan and burning in hell. Its all to do with our finate life and our infinate life. Your soul is infinate..your body is finate. When we die we actually spend 11 months in “jewish hell” having to live with all the things we regret in life. But that still doesnt grant us access into hevean. Our infinate life in heaven will be completely based on how we lived our finte life e.g. a person can have everything in life. money, luck, the girls/guys, cars, amazing home etc etc..but they can be a bad person,.They may be mean, never give to chairty whatever it is. Now in modern society we would look at this person and think “wow how is it they have everything?!” well this person only has a limited amount of time with this “everything” that is material. His infinate life will not be as good and they wont be so close to g-d as they had not lived such a good finate life. Then you may see somone who has nothing. Complete poverty (now i believe this to be true for my mum..i wont say why but i just do), and their finate life isnt going to be so great. But they are good person. their infinate life will ultimatly be better. I was told (and im not sure how much i believe this…or more i understand why people do, but not so much for me) that the reason they live their life by the way of g-d is because they are aiming for a better afterlife ultimately bringing them closer to g-d. its all complicated! lol

    personally i believe this….as long as you are a spiritual person, a good person (who also does bad cos we all do!!!!) and live your life the best way you can…then we all go hevean. no matter what religion you believe. i just wondered about the whole hell thing cos its been said to me so many times.

  61. Hillary says:

    Mrs. B- I’m not giving up on learning about anything, I’m simply stating how I feel as of now.

    MotherLove, I recognize that you are only trying to help me, and I love you for it. I can tell that you’re a beautiful person. However. And this is a big however. I have dealt with some serious crap in my life (I know, who hasn’t, right? My life has been trivialized before) and when I was little I would cry and pray. I PRAYED. Blindly with no idea if there was a God or what kind of god He was if He existed. And I received NOTHING. No sign. No change. Nothing. What I got for my attempt at faith was nothing. I opened myself to God, to any god, to reveal himself(or herself) to me. And when I opened my eyes, I saw nothing. Now, I pride myself on being a very open-minded person. I believe that true knowledge lies in that we know nothing. Recently- within the past year- despite my belief in my knowledge of nothing, I have still laid in bed at night crying and asking for some revelation of the existence of a God. Because if He exists, then He should know better than anyone that I need someone right now. SO WHERE IS HE? Because he sure as Hell has never been here when I needed Him most.

  62. MotherLove says:

    The Titanic

    The story of the Titanic has incredibly close parallels to the biblical plan of salvation. Just as the great pleasure ship struck an iceberg and sank, this great world—with all its inhabitants—is slowly sinking into the cold grip of death. As with the Titanic, where only those passengers who believed that they were in impending danger looked to the lifeboats, so only those who believe that they are in mortal danger will look to the Lifeboat of the Savior, Jesus Christ. The great “iceberg” that will take the world to an icy grave is the Moral Law—the Ten Commandments.

    Here is the evidence that we are sinking: Jesus said that if we look with lust, we commit adultery in our heart. No one who has had sex outside of marriage, or any liar, or any thief will enter heaven. The Bible says that if we hate someone, we are guilty of murder. We fail to put God first. We make a god in our image. We break all the Commandments. If we stay with the “ship,” we will perish on the Day of Judgment, when all of our sins come out as evidence of our guilt. God, however, is rich in mercy and doesn’t want anyone to go to hell. He made a way for us to be saved. Jesus Christ, the One whom the Bible calls the “Captain of our salvation,” gave His life so that we could have a place in the lifeboat. He took our punishment upon Himself, suffering on the cross for us. We broke God’s Law, but He paid our fine. Then He rose from the dead, defeating death. The moment we repent and trust in Him alone for our eternal salvation, God will forgive us and grant us the gift of eternal life.

    Don’t hesitate. You may wait until it’s too late! It was reported that some of the lifeboats that left the Titanic early were only half full. Many more on board could have been saved, but they refused to believe that the great “unsinkable” ship was sinking. They perished because their faith was misguided. Don’t be like them. Believe the gospel. Repent and trust Jesus Christ today …and God will never let you down.

  63. MotherLove says:

    God speaks though ……Loving Mothers.

  64. MotherLove says:

    I Love you too Hillary

  65. Mrs. B. says:

    Gabi,

    I was speaking with a Rabbi a few weeks ago. It wasn’t an argument, because I don’t know Jewish law well enough to argue!! He told me that under Jewish law, souls essentially languish until the Messiah comes and THEN some go to heaven and some do not. It all boils down to whether you think the Messiah already did or did not come. I believe that did. Here’s one of the reasons that I do believe that. Jews believe that Christ existed. They even think that he was a great teacher. Unfortunately Christ did not refer to himself as a great teacher. He declared himself to be God. Well, in my mind, he was either who he said he was (God) or he was a liar. If he was a liar, he was not great. EVERY major religion refers to Christ as a great teacher. So was he great? Or was he a liar? Because HE said (over and over) that he was God.

  66. Hillary says:

    well then maybe if I had one I’d be more inclined to believe in Him.

  67. MotherLove says:

    You know, When I first became a Christian
    I was very discouraged, Hillary.

  68. Hillary says:

    Listen. I understand your purpose. Really, I do. However, at this time, I am a hopeless case. Maybe some day I’ll see the alleged light. But right now, I can only see organized religion as a support system and little else.

    But thank you.

  69. MotherLove says:

    Hillary,
    I place you prayerfully in His capable loving hands.
    I have all confidence in Him.

    You are welcome, Dear one

  70. Hillary says:

    If you’re still here, could I… maybe have an e-mail address or other way of getting in contact with you again?

  71. Mrs. B. says:

    Hillary,

    I think about everyone has wondered what the deal was with God not answering prayer. Man, the book of Job, if you haven’t read it is a classic. Job was so faithful and God tested his faithfulness by just taking EVERYTHING away from him that was precious. Job stayed faithful and God restored him but wow, was he tested.

    I also read a book today, Habbakuk, which is kind of the same theme….Habbakuk is bemoaning the fact that so much bad stuff goes unpunished…but God works in his own time. We’re just too human to get it.

    I will say this. My daughter had pulled FAR from her faith. She told me that God shouldn’t be where she was. I can understand he feeling that way. But one of the counselors at her facility was helping her with reading the Bible – which obviously can be really tough to read. She started reading with him and just came to verse after verse that spoke to her. She said it was the first time that she felt that God WAS speaking to her.

    Hang in there, Hillary. People do care. I venture that if you call a large non-denominational church in your area they would be able to help you find a counselor who could help you. Christian counselors don’t sound (forgive me, MotherLove)like MotherLove. Most of them are pretty regular people.

  72. MotherLove says:

    Hillary, here is my email.

    davcra2000-motherlove@yahoo.com

    Mrs B-
    I am studying to be a christian councilor
    June Hunt with Hope for the Heart
    is an excellent teacher!

    She has a real heart for the hurting.

    http://www.hopefortheheart.com

    She even has info on eating disorders.

  73. Mrs. B. says:

    Mother,

    I think you are very obviously very genuine. My only suggestion is that if you are talking to people from the 21st century, you should talk in their terms, not in the flowery language of the KJV. It makes peoples’ heads spin.

  74. MotherLove says:

    Mrs B.
    I feel that the other translations of the Holy Bible
    do not give so much reverence to the scripture.

    I started (at age 14 )
    in a K.J.V, and did just fine….
    It’s not that bad.

    It’s worth the effort indeed!

    Regardless, there are others versions that are certainly useful.

    I don’t see where I made heads spin,
    Because I seemed to be understood just fine.

    People just do not agree with scripture.
    They do get angry and defensive
    …Christ said they would…

    Thanks for your concern,

    To God be the Glory forever, Amen!

    Thank you for giving to the Lord, Mrs B.
    lives were changed for the better,
    because you spoke up!

    Praise God!
    (((((HUGS))))))

  75. Limafan says:

    Enough with the God spam!

  76. Hillary says:

    Oh get over it. You don’t have to read it.

  77. MotherLove says:

    >0< candy for Limafan
    Thanks for stopping by!

    Would you like a cup of

    (__)D TEA?
    :o)

    Fearful Last Words:

    Cardinal Borgia: “I have provided in the course of my life for everything except death, and now, alas, I am to die unprepared.”

    Elizabeth the First: “All my possessions for one moment of time.”

    Kurt Cobain (suicide note): “Frances and Courtney, I’ll be at your altar. Please keep going Courtney, for Frances. For her life will be so much happier without me. I love you. I love you.”

    Ludwig van Beethoven: “Too bad, too bad! It’s too late!”

    Thomas Hobbs: “I am about to take my last voyage, a great leap in the dark.”

    Anne Boleyn: “O God, have pity on my soul. O God, have pity on my soul.”

    Prince Henry of Wales: “Tie a rope round my body, pull me out of bed, and lay me in ashes, that I may die with repentant prayers to an offended God. O! I in vain wish for that time I lost with you and others in vain recreations.”

    Socrates: “All of the wisdom of this world is but a tiny raft upon which we must set sail when we leave this earth. If only there was a firmer foundation upon which to sail, perhaps some divine word.”

    Sigmund Freud: “The meager satisfaction that man can extract from reality leaves him starving.”

    Tony Hancock (British comedian): “Nobody will ever know I existed. Nothing to leave behind me. Nothing to pass on. Nobody to mourn me. That’s the bitterest blow of all.”

    Phillip III, King of France: “What an account I shall have to give to God! How I should like to live otherwise than I have lived.”

    Luther Burbank: “I don’t feel good.”

    Voltaire (skeptic): “I am abandoned by God and man! I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months’ life. Then I shall go to hell; and you will go with me. O Christ! O Jesus Christ!” (The talented French writer once said of Jesus, “Curse the wretch!” He stated, “Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror …Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world.”) He also boasted, “In twenty years Christianity will be no more. My single hand shall destroy the edifice it took twelve apostles to rear.” Some years later, Voltaire’s house was used by the Geneva Bible Society to print Bibles.

    Philosophical Last Words:

    Aldus Huxley (humanist): “It is a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one’s life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than ‘Try and be a little kinder.’”

    Karl Marx: “Go on, get out! Last words are for fools who haven’t said enough!”

    Napoleon: “I marvel that where the ambitious dreams of myself and of Alexander and of Caesar should have vanished into thin air, a Judean peasant—Jesus—should be able to stretch his hands across the centuries, and control the destinies of men and nations.”

    Leonardo da Vinci: “I have offended God and mankind because my work did not reach the quality it should have.”

    Tolstoy: “Even in the valley of the shadow of death, two and two do not make six.”

    Benjamin Franklin: “A dying man can do nothing easy.”

    Grotius: “I have lived my life in a laborious doing of nothing.”

    Unexpected Demise:

    H. G. Wells: “Go away: I’m alright.”

    General John Sedgwick (during the heat of battle in 1864): “They couldn’t hit an elephant at this dist——!”

    Bing Crosby: “That was a great game of golf.”

    Mahatma Ghandi: “I am late by ten minutes. I hate being late. I like to be at the prayer punctually at the stroke of five.”

    Diana (Spencer), Princess of Wales: “My God. What’s happened?” (per police files)

    Douglas Fairbanks, Sr.: “Never felt better.”

    Franklin D. Roosevelt: “I have a terrific headache.”

    Sal Mineo: (stabbed through the heart): “Oh God! No! Help! Someone help!”

    Jesse James: “It’s awfully hot today.”

    Lee Harvey Oswald: “I will be glad to discuss this proposition with my attorney, and that after I talk with one, we could either discuss it with him or discuss it with my attorney, if the attorney thinks it is a wise thing to do, but at the present time I have nothing more to say to you.”

    Unusual Last Words:

    Vincent Van Gogh: “I shall never get rid of this depression.”

    James Dean: “My fun days are over.”

    Oscar Wilde: “My wallpaper and I are fighting a duel to the death. One or the other of us has to go . . .”

    W. C. Fields: “I’m looking for a loophole.”

    Louis XVII: “I have something to tell you . . .”

    Assurance of Salvation:

    Jonathan Edwards: “Trust in God and you shall have nothing to fear.”

    Patrick Henry: “Doctor, I wish you to observe how real and beneficial the religion of Christ is to a man about to die . . .” In his will he wrote: “This is all the inheritance I give to my dear family. The religion of Christ which will give them one which will make them rich indeed.”

    John Owen: “I am going to Him whom my soul loveth, or rather who has loved me with an everlasting love, which is the sole ground of all my consolation.”

    D. L. Moody: “I see earth receding; heaven is opening. God is calling me.”

    Lew Wallace (author of Ben Hur): “Thy will be done.”

    Alexander Hamilton: “I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy.”

    William Shakespeare: “I commend my soul into the hands of God my Creator, hoping and assuredly believing, through the only merits of Jesus Christ my Savior, to be made partaker of life everlasting; and my body to the earth, whereof it was made.”

    Martin Luther: “Into Thy hands I commend my spirit! Thou hast redeemed me, O God of truth.”

    John Milton (British poet): “Death is the great key that opens the palace of Eternity.”

    Sir Walter Raleigh (at his execution): “So the heart be right, it is no matter which way the head lieth.”

    Daniel Webster (just before his death): “The great mystery is Jesus Christ—the gospel. What would the condition of any of us be if we had not the hope of immortality? . . . Thank God, the gospel of Jesus Christ brought life and immortality to light.” His last words were: “I still live.”

    General William Booth (to his son): “And the homeless children, Bramwell, look after the homeless. Promise me . . .”

    David Livingstone: “Build me a hut to die in. I am going home.”

    Charles Dickens: “I commit my soul to the mercy of God, through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and I exhort my dear children humbly to try and guide themselves by the teaching of the New Testament.”

    Andrew Jackson: “My dear children, do not grieve for me . . . I am my God’s. I belong to Him. I go but a short time before you, and …I hope and trust to meet you all in heaven.”

    Isaac Watts (hymn-writer): “It is a great mercy that I have no manner of fear or dread of death. I could, if God please, lay my head back and die without terror this afternoon.”

  78. MotherLove says:

    Thanks to Mama V
    For exposing the evil!

    Let’s remember what she has done to help
    steer young people away from the clutches
    of the evil fashion industry.

    Please remember,
    to keep jamming the emails and voice mail!

    That’s how to Expose’ the darkness!
    Bring light into the room!

    if you are of the Christian faith,

    Please don’t be bashful to plant a seed of truth,
    while you are at it.

    ((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))
    for everyone

  79. Sass1948 says:

    ew dont hug me you freak.

  80. Limafan says:

    “Oh get over it. You don’t have to read it.”

    You and the other freak should go to a church related message board instead of spamming a website that has nothing to do with shoving the bible down people’s throats.

  81. Gabi says:

    mrs b- sorry took so long to reply, i went to bed lol it was 1 am my time and i couldnt stay awake.

    anyway, i havent heard that about the messiah and then going into hevean….i guess at the end of the day its all down to interpretation. Like theres the religion “jewish” and then theirs the sects, like you have Lubuvitch, Chazidck, Orthodox etc. I guess each one interprets what they believe diffrenetly. Me for one am orthodox..always have been so i guess maybe we dont see it as having to wait for the messiah?! Ultimately when the messiah does comes life will be ebtter whether you be in your finite or infinate (which i am under no illusion i will alrady be in my infinate). Another differenece for example is the law says you shouldnt cut from the four courners of your face..so all jewish men have some sort of side burn. Now Chazidick jews believe that you should take and do what g-d says and then take it one step further. So i dunno if you ever seen really religious jews with the curly bits hanging down the side of their faces…thats taking the no cutting one step further…personally i dont understand it. G-d hasnt asked to to it, so why do it?! lol

    ooooo i totally get what your saying about christ (i havent heard anything about him before even that he was a great teacher), but i have always believed not so much that he was the son of g-d or that he was g-d, but that he was someone great,like a prophet cos i mean you cant base a religion for thouisands of years on something wrong…does that make sense?!

    xxxxx

  82. Mrs. B. says:

    Lima….You are a grouch. But it’s not you. It’s ED. Tell him to shut up and sit down.

    Gabi. Very interesting. Thank you for that. I know surprisingly little about Judaism even though that guy I follow was the world’s GREATEST jew !! :)

  83. gabi says:

    Really….who was he?! I too know very little about judiasm…even though i went to a jewish nursery, primary school, high school, youth clubs etc lol

    xxxx

  84. Mrs. B. says:

    Gabi,
    Jesus was a Jew. There is speculation that one of the reasons that other Jews were so unwilling to accept him as the Messiah was because he was one of them. Imagine how you would feel if someone told you that someone you had always known was the Messiah? You would probably not believe it!

    :)

  85. gabi says:

    hahah sorry mrs i completey read what you wrote wrong!!! sorry im with you now lol xx

  86. gabi says:

    i knew that jesus was a jew…but i dont believe the messiah has come yet, because of what is supposed to happen when he does come. None of that stuff has happend.

    i just think its great that anyone has something to follow. My best friend (she is jewish too) says she wishes she could believe in something because she says it would be easier for to accept things etc..i totally get where she coming from, but i believe in my g-d and i have been going through a period of not being so connected and its so painful…i cant imagine that all the time like she must.

  87. Mrs. B. says:

    Gabi,

    Christians believe that the Messiah returns. I suspect that Jews and Christians will believe in the same Messiah when that day comes. We share the same God….that we know!

    My daughter said that she didn’t want God anywhere near her at the depth of her eating disorder. That’s changing as her health is changing.

  88. Hillary says:

    Listen sweetie, if you read anything of what I wrote you’d realize that I’m no “Jesus-freak” which, by the way, is such a nasty term. Seriously, you guys are so rude. Yeah you don’t want religion shoved down your throat. So ignore it. Oh goodness how much effort it is to scroll down past the messages and not read them. How torturous that must be for you.

  89. Gabi says:

    mrs B…if i get over my eating disorder i suspect that g-d will return into my life. every now again something in me goes to him…but i push it away. i get scared. but at least i know that something is there…if that makes sense?! like i said my best friend is agnostic. and even she admits she wishes she could believe in something…maybe she is scared to?!

    the part when you said that jews and christians will believe the same messiah…that is true..because its said that when the messiah comes everyone will be at peace.

    My prayers are with your daughter. Whats your daughters name? (if you dont mind me asking?) I have a friend in israel who i ask to do some prayers for me at the western wall..i would like to add your daughter if that is ok with you? its just a prayer to wish her well and give her strength. i wont say why..all i do is ask her to say the prayer.

    xxx

  90. Mrs. B. says:

    Gabi,
    I just saw your message. Thanks so much for the offer of a prayer at the wall!!! Her name is Jessica.

    You know, Gabi, my daughter was always so very close to God and then pushed him away and I think that the space was filled with her Eating Disorder. I do think that you have to push the Eating Disorder out, so to speak before you can bring God back in. You can pray to him for his help in doing that. I always loved the expression that we all have a God-sized hole in our hearts.

    My daughter said that pushed God far from her eating disorder. She didn’t want to bring him anywhere near that part of her.

  91. aliiiiie says:

    Hi,
    This is my first time commenting, however I would just like to take the time and acknowledge that what you are doing is amazing! (in terms of further exposing the YouTube and the general Internet community on the Eating Disorders and also taking what action you can, to stop them).

    One way I found your blog was through a number of searches on YouTube (and possibly other websites). It’s very frightening to find websites dedicated to promoting this kind of lifestyle. I myself am not, and have never suffered any of these disorders, but have wondered about how it is possible for one to go about such a life, why it occurs and how it perceives itself. It was only yesterday that I have actually come across a ‘Pro Ana’ LiveJournal community! How disturbing is that? (I was actually doing research for an English presentation regarding the Western and African opinions on body image)

  92. Anna says:

    What’s the songs name? In the beginning.

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