Fact or Fiction?

This is an image from a Tokyo Fashion Magazine.


Fact or Fiction?

Photoshopped or Real?

Does it really even matter either way?

The fact is it is in print, and therefore it is real. The image exists, and the message is clear, isn’t it girls.

2008 is off to a great frickin’ start.


Taken from: Numéro Tokyo Magazine (February 2008 issue)
Photo: René Habermacher and Jannis Tsipoulanis

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79 Responses to Fact or Fiction?

  1. Mrs. B says:

    My comment may be totally inappropriate…but here goes.

    My 76 year old mother has decided that since many of the world’s most famous designers are gay, that they are choosing models who look like boys. Well, it’s a theory. She may be right.

  2. Nats says:

    No it doesn’t matter at all I mean its all crap anyway, noone is who they claim to be anymore, noone is real. We are all hiding behind masks, all of us, and all the models even the photographers!!

    No changing it, no point trying

  3. Jamie says:

    In this pic I’m disgusted but at the same time I see perfection. I want to be like that because to me its perfection but at the same time I know its wrong. I’m so confused. I don’t know what to think anymore.

  4. kjosie says:

    Ultimately, very few of the images we see are real. It’s easy to forget though. And i don’t think it really matters, whether it’s real or not.

    It’s interesting – in Japan the average BMI is 16 or 17, so if they have the same discrepancy between the average womans body and the ‘ideal’, the ideal will be completely emaciated, or quite fat. Hmm.

    As for the message – is it a message if the maker of the image didn’t intend it? When a person compiles images for a magazine, do they think “i’ll gonna use this image, because I want to destroy womens self-esteem by supporting an unrealistic image of beauty”? Or does it matter what the maker intended, when people are going to read it in its context and with their state of mind?
    To me it’s saying “This is beautiful and glamorous. To be beautiful you must be emaciated and weak, dressed provocatively, with perfectly unflawed skin and hair (hinting at purity and innocence), you must not smile, and must appear completely submissive (subliminal hints at women being slaves to men perhaps? After all, what keeps women stunted from reaching our dreams more than our pursuit of beauty and thinness?)”. But i bet that’s not what’s intended by the maker. It was probably intended that way politically, and the maker blindly follows.

    Mrs B – i’ve heard that theory quite a few times before. It is true that current fashion models are not only thin, but very androngenous. It’s also a blatant spin-off from the feminist movement.

  5. withlovebyli says:

    Japanese women are usually very small. Try shopping there. Good luck finding anything over a size 6!

  6. sarah says:

    either way, this photo just confirmed my choice to skip dinner as i have every other meal of the day and instead head to the gym

  7. Limafan says:

    I’m not shocked by that at all. A lot of Asian girls love this kind of thing but eating disorder horror stories are focused on white girls 9 times out of 10. When I lived in Tokyo for 6 months I had never seen so many very bony girls in 1 place before and they weren’t that skinny because they couldn’t afford food!

  8. Cirsty says:

    Mama, I just want to say how inspired I am by you. You’re an amazing woman & I read your blogs everyday religiously, Not only because I find you funny & smart, but because you’re RIGHT. I admire your passion for eating disorders. I’ve been researching eating disorders for years & when I’m older I want to be a nutritionist & an eating disorders councilor. I hope to change as many lives as you have.

  9. Rachel says:

    That’s fucking disgusting.

    Mrs. B: That is an incredibly valid hypothesis. I’ve wondered it myself for quite some time. Personally, I think that all of these fashion designers who design for bony rails ought to be shot. How about designing for REAL women, ALL the time?

    Of course that won’t happen. You may call me a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.

  10. wakeup says:

    It’s certainly unfortunate that ads like the one above even exist, but at the same time, whatever happened to critical thinking? The media can only influence you as much as you let it; so why do some of you let a two dimensional image have so much power over your life?

    I don’t mean to sound flippant, but perhaps eating disorders are on the rise because we have lost our ability to think for ourselves.

    **Disclaimer**-I realize many eating disorders have a genetic basis, and that being the case, it’s very difficult, if not impossible, to sort out “ana/mia” from anorexia/bulimia. I struggled with anorexia for 6 years,have been fully recovered for 5-no lectures are necessary.

  11. whitenoisemachine says:

    Oh, no. Let’s not think of this as the catalyst of 2008 advertisement but a dumb mistake.

  12. Kimmye says:

    That disgusts me. I can’t believe at one point I thought that was beautiful and what I wanted to be like. (Hi, remember me? Scary crazy freak out girl: http://mamavision.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/ana-rexia-hotty-costume/#comments )

    Anyways, just want to say you were right. I was one of the lucky ones. Keep on doing what you’re doing.

  13. brindis says:

    It’s art. I thought it fit very well into the editorial. The rest of the pictures are somewhat glamorous in a dark way, and this image is meant to shock. I don’t know what the art director or photographer meant to say with the image, but to me it was the ugly reality of fashion.

    It’s easy to pick out this single image and get upset about it, but I do think it had a place in the editorial and it wasn’t necessarily meant to glorify emaciation. Sick people will find it attractive, average people will find it repulsive, and people who look at it from the context of ART will find a meaning in it.

    I am familiar with this model and she really is that thin and it’s very sad. The lighting and pose and probably some post production enhance her bones in that image, so it is “photoshopped” but still real.

    Models are way too thin, and I think this image does a good job of pointing that out.

  14. Lily says:

    I find that photo really horrible- reading how others who have posted still think its attractive makes me think maybe recovery is really happening,

    Lily xx

  15. Sarah says:

    Mrs. B: There is credibility to your argument. It is also argued that the war against women and their bodies (yes, it’s a war – look at the casualty number) is a direct effect of feminism – trying to turn women into men. For example, putting women into suits. A traditional female figure could not pull it off. Therefore, the models had to warp their bodies in order to meet the criteria of the (probably gay) designer. And don’t you think it’s kinda stupid that straight women are letting gay men tell them what is attractive? Straight men like bigger girls, unless they have fed into the lies society feeds them.

    As for the other “Sarah,” you need to get help if you find inspiration in that horrible photo. There is no doubt to me that anorexia is mostly a mental disease, and people like “Sarah” prove that to a tee with their many “pro-ana” groups and such. Luckily, there are people in this world who want to help you too.

  16. Mrs. B says:

    I think it is also easier to design clothes that don’t really have to “fit” onto a body. Designers are probably really very lazy.

  17. mamavision says:

    Hi Brindis: With all due respect, get off the art kick, it only serves to disrespect the issues presented here.

    The purpose here is to show a skeleton-like back in some silly fashion pose. End of story.

    Fashion photographers know exactly what they are doing when they choose shots like this…and it ain’t some attempt at making a name at MOMA.


  18. mamavision says:

    Hi Jamie: I find your comment hits on the core of this issue.

    Why is this perfection in your opinion?


  19. kjosie says:

    Brindis’s comment is really interesting. It’s all about the CONTEXT, that’s the important issue. Imagine this image in a magazine, but illustrating different articles – one’s a fashion shoot, another is a story about anorexia, another is art photography, another is about feminism, etc etc.
    If we imagine a picture in different contexts they take on whole new meanings. It’s those like Brindis who know the context who can make valid judgements. So the question is – mamaV, have you seen the image in context?

    wakeup – i think when we’re bombarded with hundreds of images a day, it’s hard to analyse them all. Add to that all the over media which we have to question – our mind would just explode! I think that’s the trouble. When analysing a particular image, like we are now, we can think more abstractly, but not in day-to-day life – our minds will just make generalisations and pick up on subliminal messages.

  20. Jamie says:

    Mamav, I’m not sure really. I think if i’m thin then i’ll be successful and beautiful. To me that pic tells me that in order to be successful you have to look like that. She’s getting payed really well i’m sure and its all because she’s thin and beautiful.

  21. ukchick says:

    i think the person in that pic is perfect. i know its wrong to think that :(

  22. ukchick says:

    ok soo that last comment was a little bad. mama v i luv ure blog. i am recovering from an ed but its just soo hard with pics like that in the media everyday :(

    im not soo good with words.

  23. brindis says:

    “Hi Brindis: With all due respect, get off the art kick, it only serves to disrespect the issues presented here.

    The purpose here is to show a skeleton-like back in some silly fashion pose. End of story.”

    I suffer from an eating disorder and I work in fashion photography. I think it’s a very powerful image.

    You’re the one being disrespectful by dismissing it as meaningless.

  24. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    Will anyone please tell me, what did the mag say in it? Was it like anti-ana, high fashion, pro ana? any explination please? that would be nice!

  25. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    oh…and i also think it looks perfect. small as posssible until my ring could serve as a belt. And thenn il press on until the ring is to loose to hold anything up.

  26. Katie says:

    Oh wow. Usually I at least pretend to be disgusted by the message pictures like that send, and I am (by the message, anyway), but I really love that picture. Her back is the epitome of beauty to me. I can’t even explain why. I try to look at it and see something disgusting, but I can’t. I want my back to look like hers. I love bones

    There’s a kind of fascination with bones among anorexics. Obviously it’s a sign of being very thin, but for me, at least, it’s more than that. It’s like when I look in the mirror and can count all my ribs, see my chest bones sticking out, or turn around and see my protruding spine, I sort of feel like it’s proof I’m a real person with a normal frame beneath all the fat.

  27. Katie says:

    Okay, now I’m kind of embarrassed about the above comment, and I realize my thinking is sick. There was just something about that picture.

  28. Marianna says:

    Hi everyone, I’m the one who stumbled upon that fashion editorial pic in the first place. Soon I decided to hand it to mama so that she can help spread the word about this harrowing, horrible pic. My cousin has that magazine, and yes, that pic was supposed to ADVERTISE fashion, focusing on the model’s Christian Loubotin’s shoes.

    And personally, I think it’s NOT photoshopped.
    I feel like watching a butchering process taking place whenever I see that pic, spread proudly in an oversized, glossy fashion magz.

  29. whitenoisemachine says:

    That’s a horrible ad for shoes. All you can look at is her spine.
    I hate to admit it, but I do love this as an “art” piece. Stiletto heels parallel to stiletto body. Hey, thin is in, right?

  30. sarah says:

    to the other “sarah,” you dont know me. i have not seen you on here before. i take GREAT offense to you calling me pro ana. perhaps you aren’t educated on eating disorders, but there is a big difference between pro ana and anorexia. i have struggled with anorexia for too long now. Yes, i do find beauty in this picture. does not mean i glamorize what i do. in fact, im disgusted with it. i’m here for help just like everyone else.

  31. Karrie says:

    The model looks like a man. If it really is a male, its really sad, because it means the opposite sex is being sucked into the whole eating disorder thing. No one, male or female, should ever have to go through a living hell called an eating disorder.

  32. Sass1948 says:

    LOTS of men have eating disorders, and not just homosexuals. My best friend’s fiance is bulimic. Men’s issue is less publicized for whatever reason. But the guys I know seem to think it’s a phase they’ll get over.

    If I took this photograph, my eyes wouldn’t be on the boring designer shoes, they’d be on the scary skinny model posing for me. I’d be worried for their health & as a good human being I’d refuse to use the photo.

  33. Marianna says:

    FYI, the model’s name is Siri Tollerod. Female, born 1988 or 1987.

  34. Mrs. B says:


    I do know that this ad was for shoes. So why are the shoes not more visible, and why is the focus of the picture this starving woman’s bony spine?

    Art Schmart.

    These people who promote this crap are sick.

  35. Beth says:

    Looking at this picture I can only see what the world what have us all reduced down to if we would let it. It really exposes a human’s vulnerability.

    In this picture she is delicate and fragile, she is turned away from the light and looking back into the dark as if she’s trying to see if there is something she missed. Until then she is going to kneel upon this upholstered chair with her designer stilettos and low back gown because for the moment she is important. She is a goddess in the fashion world and for this very moment everyone sees her.

    I am not disgusted with this picture, because in truth it is a work of art, but it is a reminder of what the world views as ‘perfection’ these days and it is the cold and bitter truth about how shallow and narrow-minded this world really is. Criticize the media for portraying such a thing and damn the people who believe in it. To hell with the people who want to recover or who cannot resist thinking such a thing is beautiful. To hell with those people who live with such a thing every day. You say these people need help…yet you say they are disgusting. Who would want help from a hypocrite? Their views might be warped.. But I have to wonder are not ours as well?

    99.9% of the time a person who falls to this state is someone who has:
    A) Had a traumatic event happen in their lifetime and they are trying to either “disappear” or perfect themselves in the only way they know they can control, the only thing that is left?
    B) Been trying to live up to an impossible standard. Smaller women AND men get the attention. To be “perfect” in the woman’s world you have to have the beach body of a goddess … or Kate Moss.. and for a man you have to have the build of Brad Pitt.. or who ever the next “Ken” is of our Barbie doll generation.
    C) A true eating disorder. You can’t change genetics folks, there’s stuff that runs in every line.

    And then there is the option “D” which none of the world is ready to accept it seems. They want to be the way they are. There are some people out there like that and that’s just how they will be and there is no changing that.

    I am sick of how everyone is treating everyone else these days. I can say for a fact that I am not happy with my body, and it is not helped whenever I see the lingerie ads with these beautiful; glorified, women. Everyone has their own views on what they find ‘Undesirable’ about themselves. The difference is I have support. I am one of the lucky few who have someone to support me. Some women and men don’t. Why? Because no one seems to be interested in what people have to offer anymore. They only want to know if they’ll look good standing next to them. I counted at least two people here who posted their views and then where embarrassed because they realized there would be no one who would agree with them. They were ashamed of who they were and what they believed. A person should never be put to shame because of that.

    I challenge whoever reads this next to take a moment and really think about how important image is to you. Because every time you turn someone away because they might mar your ‘perfect ideals’ and opinions. You’re turning away someone who just might open your eyes to something amazing, to someone who is truly beautiful.

    Take the time, get to know people and you’ll find what real beauty is and most of the time you’ll find it where you will least expect it.

  36. kjosie says:

    Beth – i find your comment very interesting. However, i don’t think people with EDs have as much of a critical view of others as they have of themselves. A minority do, and have very warped views and are extremely vain, but far FAR from all.
    Some of the people i love the most are not stereotypically attractive people, some are overweight, some have acne, some are old, etc, but it doesn’t matter because it’s their personality that i love.
    There’s something very wrong with someone if they judge the people around them so harshly by their appearance alone.

    On the male eating disorders discussion – it’s thought that 25% of eating disorders are suffered by men. In teenagers EDs are 10x more common in girls, but in childhood and late adulthood it’s nearly 50/50.
    Many men (and older women) tend to view EDs are a “teenage girl disease”, and are ashamed. Therefore they avoid seeking help. Other people hold the generalisation too, so they don’t tend to recognise EDs in men and boys – if you see a skinny guy you don’t tend to think “oh, maybe he’s anorexic”.

  37. Beth says:

    What I’m trying to say is the root of the problem is generally not the disorder itself. ( Sometimes it can’t be helped if it runs in your family..) You’re not going to be able to truly make an impact on a person’s life and show them that there are people out there who love and care about them for who they are if you criticize what and who they are right now. Not generally anyhow. So many people with ED out there just want to know that there is someone who cares. You can’t stop the media but you can reach out to those people around you. Let them know you love them, that you care about them and that they are perfect just the way they are and things start to happen. The better a person feels about themselves the more likely it is that such a thing will be easier to overcome. I was not aiming that last comment towards anyone in particular but it was more a rant at the more ignorant half of the world I respect what this site is trying to accomplish but I also would like to encourage this movement head off the web and into your own community. There are so many people who need it.

  38. Sass1948 says:

    I just choose not to believe the stats about male with EDs cuz…I just know too many who hide it.

  39. Mrs. B says:

    Beth, your point is well taken. In my mind, I can love the anorexic model and understand her hurt, but don’t expect me to love the ignorant photographer and designer and publisher who refuse to see their relationship to her suffering.

  40. Michelle says:

    This picture makes me hate myself.

  41. Michelle says:

    Did I mention that it makes me feel like a failure, too?
    Cause it does.
    I can’t even starve myself long enough to look like that.
    Yea. I’m a failure.

  42. alien says:

    Maybe they are the lost feelings people are after. Maybe love/sex has become too porn in the media, or too equal between the sexes in real life, to create tender, soft, yearning and protective feelings, so to call forth those feelings we need childlike, fragile, suffering objects. … Just wondering why do we even see those figures appropriate. Also my mind tells me she is more lovable, love needing and love deserving than some one who is strong, healthy and self-sufficient.

  43. wakeup says:

    kjosie-You make a really good point and I can see where you’re coming from. I think though, that with some practice, it’s very possible to get to a place where you’re no longer negatively affected by the images or the things they’re insinuating. I suppose I’m fortunate in that my struggle with an eating disorder was never “triggered” by media images, the fashion industry, or the external appearances of other people…but I do know many girls who, with some effort, were eventually able to look at images that used to trigger them and see them for the bullsh-t that they were/are. I hope that everyone struggling on this forum can eventually get to that point as well.

    Michelle-You say that the picture makes you feel like a failure bc you can’t starve yourself long enough to look like that…but why do you aspire to starve yourself in the first place? My guess is that it isn’t because the picture is “making” you…and if that is the reason, then why are you allowing the media to have so much power over your thoughts? Why not show them the same disregard they show to you (and every other woman in America) by refusing to buy into the hype?

  44. kelly says:

    Ok…I am a little confused.

    I thought it was normal for a back to look like that. When I am in that position that is what my back looks like…

    How is this a bad thing if it is normal?

  45. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:



    are you at a healthy weight? are you just streacking like that to MAKE the bones poke out? shes just sitting..no flexing….shes that bony all the time..no sucking in. If you normally look like that…please get help.

  46. Gina says:

    Talk about triggering.
    That pisses me off.
    What the hell are they thinking?!

  47. Jill says:





  48. Kitty says:


  49. Sass1948 says:

    Jill makes good points.

  50. Kitty says:

    Anyhow. You can go on with it’s artistic aspects, but this is an ad for shoes. This totally fails for a shoe ad. I would call it art and such if it wasn’t a shoe ad. Shoe ads are susposed to make you want to buy shoes. Emaciated bodies can be acceptable to me for art but only if it is appropiate for the message…and it’s a good message.

    As for the “women being thinner in Japan”. It’s true. For eras beauty and detail have been the center of Japanese culture. It’s one of the many things that makes Japan great. Sadly, it also makes people in Japan more concerned with their physical appearence.

    Also the trend in Japan is to look like a little girl. Lolita style is all the rave. You got your goth-lolita, sweet-lolita, punk-lolita, wa-lolita, and now pirate-lolita. Being ultra-skinny helps in the persuit of “eternal lolita”.

    Also, likely the percentage or males with ed’s in Japan is higher because femininity in Japanese men has been in for quite some time. I’ve actually seen some thinspo featuring visual kei bands (visual Kei means “visual type”, which is a music genere that focuses alot on fashion and usually consists of men in elaborate drag).

    Also, MamaV. I want to send you a vid clip of this Japanese makeover TV show. It was horrible!

  51. Kitty says:

    THere is more than media focus on this site. MamaV focuses on other triggers too. Media can be part of it. I don’t give it sole blame but this site is for looking for hlep which means we need to explore what people think are causes. Also, Jill says that the media doesn’t affect her, but then she says that she got thinspo from this site and now she wants to starve more. Being affected by pics on this site is no different than being affected from a pic in a mag.

  52. Kitty says:

    I know what I’m talking about. Not too long ago I was 5 ‘5’ and 72lbs. I didn’t used to look at Calista Flockheart (she was known for being skinny then) and say “wow! I want to look like that!”. I dieted not for media, but for my parents who thought it was okay to force a 10 year old to diet. It wasn’t until I developed an ED that theese images made an impact on me. From then on I was in competition with these images of starving models. I wanted to be skinny and I’d die to get there. I used to think “why do they keep getting thinner?!” “why can’t I win?!”.

  53. Amber/vanity900/cult66623 says:

    Kitty i saw the japanese thing on youtube i think we’re talking about thw same thing, it wasn’t horrible. the girl may have been small but she dose have a chubby stomach pudge,

  54. kelly says:

    still a little confused…this pic looks normal to me.

    i don’t see anything too extreme.

  55. kjosie says:

    Kelly – she’s extremely thin. People of a normal weight don’t tend to have bones stuck out their back.

  56. whitenoisemachine says:

    Jill- What was the purpose of the caps lock?
    Your comment is contradictory. Anorexia is “not formed from the media”, correct. But it obviously affects people such as yourself. Is the part about you extending your fast because of this picture an ironic joke? And why are you attacking MamaV? Out of WHAT league?

  57. Angelique says:


    This post inspired me to research the topic of EDs in Japan and discuss it here: http://www.breakingthemirror.com/2008/01/05/the-myth-of-the-tiny-japanese-girl/.

    I’ve given mamaVISION a plug, of course. :)

    Thanks for the inspiration!

  58. Lily says:


    The model in the photo is clearly underweight,


  59. Kitty says:

    It wansn’t her weight that made me mad. Hell, she could have been 300 lbs. and I still would have been mad. It was the fact that the whole time this 150 lb. girl was being called disgusting and being laughed at by the other women, all the while it being considered okay. I mean, the lady that was susposed to help her said “you have a very strange body. you’re fat but have no boobs. Wow! It looks like your gut is about to talk!” Then the other women say “Is THAT her ass?!”, “That’s disgusting!”, “Looks delicious!”, etc, while they slow in slow motion a woman kneeding the girl’s fat.

  60. Kitty says:

    Kelly, look at most peoples’ backs. The majority is what is considered normal. Do their backs look like that?

  61. kelly says:

    well the majority of people where I live are overweight or obese…so that can’t be any better than being too thin. and i have no clue what other peoples backs look like just mine…I would rather see bones than globs of fat…

  62. sarah says:

    im with you kelly. my back looks similar and i still see too much fat. i agree that the media does not cause eating disorders but images such as these certainly cant help.

  63. a_mother says:

    This is not art. This is sad. This woman is one of the statistics. She doesn’t look normal Kelly. Like so many others have said when you look at yourself you are always going to think it isn’t good enough. This woman is way under weight. I believe it is horrible that people feel that they have to look like this to be accepted. I don’t think this is beauty…although, I know it isn’t a cry for help it should be. Thank you for clearing up that this model is a woman, though whether a man or woman, the person is still too thin. Really it doesn’t matter if we know her name or not it doesn’t change that she has become a pawn in the fashion game of the agents controlling young women to the point of starvation. While it is true that in Japan there are less strict laws about models being too thin, the stylists should take more responsiblity for their actions. To be honest, how many people out there want to wear the clothes that those overly thin women are wearing? I don’t want to get that thin and I know that I won’t wear what they are wearing so I am not even going to try to compare myself to them. A new study that they just did, done by “The Nielson Company”, said that 81% of the online comsumers agree that the models and celebrities are too thin. This study included 25,000 people from 45 different countries.

    “The findings follow a worldwide outcry over the fashion industry’s promotion of the stick-thin images which critics say contribute to eating disorders in young women.

    As a result of the death of two Latin American models, czars from the powerful fashion capitals of New York, London, Milan and Paris pledged last week to address the controversial issue of bringing more weight to the catwalks.”Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:43pm est By Rachel Sanderson LONDON, Feb 1 (Reuters). These are nice words but have they really stood by what they said? Have the photos changed? I can’t tell they have.

    “An estimated 10 to 15% of people with anorexia or bulimia are male. “Carlat, D.J. Camargo. Review of Bulimia in Males. American Journal of Psychiatry, 154, 1997.”

    You say that you think that this forum should also later start offline and in our own communities….the problem with this is….how many of you would have gone to a meeting where you sit around the room from strangers and tell your story when you know later you are going to see them at the grocery store? I come from a small town and know that there is no privacy when it comes to who is entering the building and what night has been announced that the people with ED’s are going to meet. These good people on here put enough judgments on themselves, they don’t need anyone else doing it. This site is set up for people to come to who have nobody else to turn to and who want help. I may not always agree with everything that is posted, but it is not my call. I do believe that the focus has been on too many photos lately and wish it would go to something else. I don’t have an eating disorder, but even when I see those magazines and those pictures of the women that are thin and made up to be beautiful I want to go on a diet….I will never say I can imagine what a person with an ED goes through just looking at one.

    I am a person who probably needs to lose weight, but I can look at my back and though I am bigger I don’t see my bones, but I don’t have globs of fat hanging off me either. So just because I can’t see my bones or other people can’t see theirs doesn’t mean that you have to go to extremes and get fat enough for the fat to hang. I might not be skinny but I am in fairly good shape for my size. I know you see yourself as normal but being able to see bones is too thin by what most people think. Until you start to see that though it won’t do any good for anyone to tell you this.
    In my many years on this earth, I finally figured out that the people who are making fun of or teasing others, are the ones who really have the faults. They are talking about others so they can take the focus off their own faults for a while. Remember that we don’t have to look like that to fit in. The statistics also show that models are smaller than 80% of all women…..if they know this why do they keep trying to make them that small. The normal women of the world who do the shopping and daily living aren’t the size that these modeling agencies make their clients strive to become. So why? What is the purpose? Who are they trying to sell to if not the 80% that aren’t that size. To me it seems all their purpose in life to do is make people starve to death and ruin lives by causing people to think they aren’t good enough, when really they are. Sorry so long was not very happy with this blog.

  64. kjosie says:

    Kelly – you have classic black-and-white thinking there. It isn’t thin OR fat, there’s a whole big healthy gap in between. And there’s some people who are naturally healthy and thin, and some who are naturally healthy and fat, but most of us fall in the middle.

  65. zombie z says:

    Considering your most recent post, I find this one very ironic.

  66. Vanessa says:

    zz- i think you have badly misjudged josie because of one comment she made. she might not be quite as aware of FA as i am, but i think that comment made you think she’s pro-weightloss and thinks 300 calories isn’t a starvation diet. neither of those things is true.

  67. Gina says:

    I kind of believe with Jill.
    When you post pictures on here that are deadly skinny.
    It’s very triggering.
    Makes me want to act on behaviors.
    Then you probably wonder why I keep coming back.
    If it’s triggering.

    But I think you have amazing things to say honestly.
    Despise the thinspo pictures.

  68. x says:

    Jill, you are retarded. I can’t count the number of times I have read of girls DEVELOPING eating disorders because of an external influence such as their parents calling them fat, people at school bullying them, sexual abuse, and yes, IMAGES IN THE MEDIA.

    Sorry, the whole “mental illness” excuse is not going to cut it forever. I’m seriously considering compiling a huge list of quotes from real anorexics to pull out whenever someone falls back on the mental illness excuse.

    I’ll bet you freaking money that 9 times out of 10, the anorexic is that way because of external influence. It’s a CHOICE and one I will never respect.

  69. x says:

    also, I have seen that image ‘in context’ with the others and it didn’t make any kind of statement. It’s a fashion editorial meant to sell clothes. “Art.” Give me a BREAK.

    The only thing that cheered me up were the comments from the other members, who all found the image disgusting.

    Oh god, here comes a rant about how anorexics just want attention. Ugh. I don’t have the energy for this. No wonder I hardly ever come to mamVISION. It makes me angry enough to kill puppies.

  70. kcart9 says:

    Wow, whats with the name calling x. Jill brings up a very good point. People blame the media and thus because they want someone to blame for their problems. People dont get anorexia because they’ve seen someone on the catwalk and thought, oh I want to look like them. Or they dont see people in the music video’s and think look at how thin she is, i’m going to starve myself. Some do, but they hardly and usually never develope anorexia, because that’s not how its developed.

    And you say you can’t count the number of times. Tell me x, have you ever suffered from anorexia?

  71. jane says:

    you’re right, it DOESN’T matter. stop posting thinspiration for girls like me to steal.

  72. kristen says:

    she looks so beautiful. she looks sleek and graceful.

  73. emmy says:

    well…that’s disturbingly horrible.

    i’m so disgusted by this world.

  74. Lisa says:

    Ugh! Japan, one of the worst places for models as well as some other Asian countries like China, Korea Singapore, Malaysia…Designers there prefer anorexic-looking and drugged-out models unlike the rest of the world! It’s sickening! Believe it or not. In fact, Japan has the highest rate of eating disorders in Asia. In addition, there are a lot of waif-thin Asian models.

  75. Bree says:

    I think you probably stand a better chance at being successful if you know how to properly spell and capitalize your words, rather than constantly obsessing about being thin.

    The simple fact is that context is everything. The picture is now reposted in the context of bitching about it. So bitch away.

  76. Cerena says:

    Random websurfer’s observation:

    I see what looks like a starved slave, placed in an uncomfortable posture by her master, waiting for her next order. She does not dare to move, and it would be an effort to do so anyway, because she looks like she barely has the energy to walk, and is emotionally beaten down and listless. She may not have long to live.

    I see no beauty in this photo, only abuse (even if it’s actually self-abuse.) “Fragile / brittle / appears terminally ill” evokes sadness and pity, it is not attractive. She is not “sleek and graceful”, “sleek” is a word that applies to toned muscle, and “graceful” is a word that applies to fluid movement or seeming to have the capability thereof. This woman has neither.

    Body dysmorphic disorder is a real illness, and it kills.

  77. amylittlekitten says:

    As a designer I would just like to contradict some of the opinions about the “designers are gay men and thats why they use boyishly figured models” comments:

    The majority of fashion designers come from art school backgrounds.

    They see their work as pieces of art.

    In the same way that a painter would prefer to display their canvas on a smooth white wall without lumps and bumps to distract from the work-
    So a fashion designer would like their work shown on a body that does not spoil the line of the dress by being disproportionate in any way.

    On a very slim figure the clothes hang beautifully from the shoulders and fall the line as intended by the designer during the design process as opposed to a line chosen by the individual curves of the wearer.

    Model figures are ideal in that they are universally proportionate and standardized.

    If I was to show on figures who are fuller in certain areas I feel that people would be distratced by the models large hips, breasts, fuller arms, generous thighs etc. and not give attention to the clothes.

    I am also aware that people could be put off thinking that style is for the busty girl and that style for the girl with thighs.

    Therefore I am going to continue to use standardized proportional models who fit into my samples without each one having to be critically altered to fit the nuances of the individual body. There is simply not time in a show setting between casting and the show itself to completely redo the whole collection for the variety of body types who may want to model them, there are just too many body types out there.

    I design clothes that I do want to wear myself but I am designing them as artistic creations first and thinking about how I would wear them second. Very few people actually wear the looks exactly as they are shown on the catwalk, it is just a suggested context and people need to remember that.

    Also I would just like to note that in the whole design department at my University there were about 120 or 130 women to a total of 3 gay men, one bisexual man and one straight man straight man all designing womenswear.
    (spread over 3year levels of study and 4 disciplines)
    In high fashion design studios yes there are high numbers of men who appear to hold high level jobs but within the studio I generally find they are outnumbered 4 (or more to) 1.

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